Which is a good red dot for M&P2.0

[MikeZulu]

Hello, which red dot and under barrel light would be best for an M@P 2.0
Thank you.

 

[WR Moore]

It would help if you mentioned intended use and any disabilities. If you're looking at home defense, save the $$$ on the light and turn on your house lights.

 

[Birdhunter6]

I'm very happy with the Holosun optics I have on both pistols & carbines.

I have seen at least a dozen on the range, used by others. (I have 4 in use myself.) I have only seen 1 that didn't fulfill the user's needs. It ate batteries, they replaced it and so far, no problems.

 

[pasound]

Holosun 507K and Sig Romeo5 are both good choices for dots.

 

[Saudade]

Please define "best" for the rest of us.

Lot's of good sights and lights around.

 

[Gman556]

Holosun/Trijicon/Sig/Swampfox, ect: whichever you can afford.

If you're looking to put a light on it then I'm going to take it that you're looking for using it in a defensive manner?

If you've never had a dot on a pistol before or had one but didn't shoot much with it, you will want to get allot of trigger time with it. Allot!!

If you only shoot your pistol a few times a year, and never plan on anymore that that, then just get a good light and keep using the irons.

You will never get used to a dot unless you are shooting, and dry firing it weekly, or at least twice a month.

Don't take 100% of advice from a bunch of Clowns like us on the Internet either.

Do some research, it's out there now days in abundance.

Just like with anything else, you're going to have to see this all for yourself, because a lot of it has to do with personal preference, attitude and dedication.

 

[hardluk1]

I'll say check out a Holosun with the green circle dot . We have two of the early 407c gr x2 models and one k model but today they offer other models . The green dot like with a laser tends to work better than red for many people over a wider variety of back grounds included green leaf's and also works better for those dealing with astigmatism .

Do Not place a dot optic on your carry gun expecting it work well right off . You will have a learning curve and a change of focus for many open sight shooters . Your target or threat is your focus and the dot will show up on target . Start with a dot optic on a fun gun like a 22lr you can aford to shoot and become a natural with it then move to your carry handgun .

 

[Hawg Rider]

Holosun makes excellent and affordable red (and green) dots. For a light, I tend to go with Nightstick...every bit as good as Streamlight but a little cheaper. Here's my M&P 10mm 2.0 with accessories.

 

[Super Trucker]

Since I love America and American workers I buy Trijicon, 100% made in the USofA.

I have used RMR's since 2015 without issue.

Go to some of the forums where high round count shooters post and read all the complaints about Holosun breaking.

There is zero chance I would recommend a Chinese company, making sights in China, from Chinese parts.

Holosuns parent company makes the majority of Chinese sights, so if you want something with great odds of breaking, buy Chinese.

 

[Gman556]

Just remember OP, that everyone will come in here and feel they need to also justify their own purchases to the world, because they don't want to know that it may not be a good purchase for everyone, and that drives them nuts!!

What may work for them may not always work for everyone else, and they don't like hearing that, so this thread of yours may get a bit spicy at times so you have to weed through all the brand-tards who feel the need to shout from the rooftops about their purchase's being the best over most.

The firearms community is the most childish, and nerdy community known to man kind. You will see this on multiple forums.

Like I said, you will have to weed through the ego's and make a decision for yourself , and in the end you will find what works for you, and stick with it, and train train train with it.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

I just converted to the OPMOD Viridian RFX-45 (ARCO-stlyle Green Dot enclosed sight) and the OPMOD Green Laser Light on my M&P 40 1.0 PC C.O.R.E.

Very happy with them (although there was nothing wrong with the previous Vortex sight and CT laser/light combo)!

Cheers!

P.S. My mounting plate is metal.

 

[Beju]

Since I love America and American workers I buy Trijicon, 100% made in the USofA.

I have used RMR's since 2015 without issue.

Go to some of the forums where high round count shooters post and read all the complaints about Holosun breaking.

There is zero chance I would recommend a Chinese company, making sights in China, from Chinese parts.

Holosuns parent company makes the majority of Chinese sights, so if you want something with great odds of breaking, buy Chinese.

My made-in-the-USA RMR Type 2 had a battery tab break somewhere between 1000 and 1500 rounds, and I'm not the only one. It seemed especially bad with RMRs made from 2019-2020; rumor is that Trijicon switched from a Canadian supplier to a cheaper Mexican one.

I'm generally inclined to think that Trijicon has better QC than Holosun, but I'm also not keen on paying more for inferior technology.

You may not like it, but Trijicon's LED emitters are not as good as Holosun or Aimpoint's, which becomes evident in battery life and heavier tint (done to increase contrast with less LED power consumption). Aimpoint has been in the red dot game for longer and red dots are their main focus, while red dots have often been a second thought for Trijicon. Holosun is a sub brand of Huanic, an industrial emitter supplier.

The RMR is also in very limited production these days, as Trijicon's production capacity is better utilized to make red dots that people want like the SRO, RMR HD, and RCR. I finally got to see the the new red dots in person, and optically, the RMR HD looked much better than my RMR. Less distortion, less tint, the dot looked cleaner, the battery can be changed without re-zeroing, and being able to independently dim the dot or ring is pretty cool. Downside is that power consumption is so unimpressive with the multi-reticle that Trijicon doesn't want to tell you the battery life in that mode.

The RCR, on the other hand, pretty much looked like an RMR Type 2, just enclosed. That means inferior to the Holosun EPS, which has less tint and less edge distortion. Being able to change the battery without removing is a good thing, but the downside is it results in a lot of optic body at the top of it. The Japanese and South Korean emitters generally haven't been as efficient as those coming from Huanic; you see this in some of SIG's assembled in the USA optics like the Romeo-X as well.

 

[Super Trucker]

My made-in-the-USA RMR Type 2 had a battery tab break somewhere between 1000 and 1500 rounds, and I'm not the only one. It seemed especially bad with RMRs made from 2019-2020; rumor is that Trijicon switched from a Canadian supplier to a cheaper Mexican one.



I'm generally inclined to think that Trijicon has better QC than Holosun, but I'm also not keen on paying more for inferior technology.



You may not like it, but Trijicon's LED emitters are not as good as Holosun or Aimpoint's, which becomes evident in battery life and heavier tint (done to increase contrast with less LED power consumption). Aimpoint has been in the red dot game for longer and red dots are their main focus, while red dots have often been a second thought for Trijicon. Holosun is a sub brand of Huanic, an industrial emitter supplier.



The RMR is also in very limited production these days, as Trijicon's production capacity is better utilized to make red dots that people want like the SRO, RMR HD, and RCR. I finally got to see the the new red dots in person, and optically, the RMR HD looked much better than my RMR. Less distortion, less tint, the dot looked cleaner, the battery can be changed without re-zeroing, and being able to independently dim the dot or ring is pretty cool. Downside is that power consumption is so unimpressive with the multi-reticle that Trijicon doesn't want to tell you the battery life in that mode.



The RCR, on the other hand, pretty much looked like an RMR Type 2, just enclosed. That means inferior to the Holosun EPS, which has less tint and less edge distortion. Being able to change the battery without removing is a good thing, but the downside is it results in a lot of optic body at the top of it. The Japanese and South Korean emitters generally haven't been as efficient as those coming from Huanic; you see this in some of SIG's assembled in the USA optics like the Romeo-X as well.

Before we start, let's be clear, nothing I wrote here is directed at you specifically. I'm just replying to your post with my opinions.


I understand Trijicon has new RDS that I have not tried, mine still work so I haven't found the need to get one yet.
The battery whine fest is a pet peeve of mine. My 7 year grandson can change the battery in under 5 minutes, a whopping 5 minutes a year and everywhere you look folks are crying about it. The batteries last two years but for something that costs a dollar (I use Duracell brand 2032's) and takes 5 minutes to change, it's silly to not do so once a year.
I was shooting competition for several years so a zero is important, I have my slide milled by a competent company, that mills bosses into the slide so it gets close to zero, just by remounting it. If you take a universal rail mounted laser (installs and zero to RMR before changing the battery) you fine tune your zero with the laser after the battery swap.
Tint never bothered me and I have diabetic retinopathy bad. Same with the emitters, I see no issue with the inferior one witch is why I haven't switched to their newer models.
As to parts from Canada and mexico, how can they say 100% made in the USA if parts are from not the USA (see link below)?
I have no issues with aimpoint as they aren't Chinese but the battery life on their last two pistol RDS was horrible so I won't recommend one of them.
After Covid I have a long memory, I can not and will not recommend anything from china unless its the only product available.
Bottom line, the average shooter (my guess would be 80%) will not see anything you mentioned except the battery swap and if 5 minutes a year is reason to buy chinese, they are, well I don't need to get banned but you get the point.
Most people do not shoot good enough to notice any of it but because they read it online, oh boy...........

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[Gman556]

Oh boy this thread is starting to get emotional, must be that time of the month again.

 

[Beju]

I personally don't care where the battery tabs and contacts come from so long as they don't break, but the FTC standard for "made in the USA" is an "all or virtually all" standard. Cost is a factor in that claim, so a battery tab or contact can cost less than the manufacturing step to solder it in place.

Most 'US made' optics glass comes from Japan on all but some of the super high end scopes, but companies like Eotech and Trijicon do the surface coatings domestically. This is a very important step, and allows them to be sold as 'made in the USA.'

At the same time, it's quite possible that Trijicon's LED emitters aren't made in the USA. Surefire has admitted that their LED emitters are sourced overseas, as they're not manufactured domestically at necessary scale. However, Trijicon assembling them on the boards in the US may also count towards a greater percentage of the cost.

LED emitters efficiency starts to matter more when you move away from a simple red dot. Trijicon's attempt at a green dot was as uncompetitive as the MRO that it was put in. Some people like the circle dot multi-reticles, but they use about 60% more power than a simple red dot. Same goes for the Primary Arms chevron reticles.

The removal and re-zero for a battery swap on the RMR is irksome to me not because of the battery life on a good battery, but because batteries can fail prematurely. I've had good luck with Duracell CR2032s, but I've had a couple of their CR1632 fail prematurely. One died oddly quick in an optic, the other leaked while still in the packaging.