Who uses the LEE Factory Crimp Die or LEE Taper Die

Earl,
See, I knew we would get to the bottom of this! ;)

Where in Montana if you don't mind me asking. Visited some off and on in the Bitteroot Valley, around Florence and north.

Just curious.

Have a good one!
:)
 
p.s.Do you have one of his 44 caliber bullets handy? Could you mic them for me and let me know how big they are?

Curious ;)
 
p.s.Do you have one of his 44 caliber bullets handy? Could you mic them for me and let me know how big they are?

Curious ;)

Skip,
I live in the Southwestern portion of the State. city of Three Forks.(OK, more like a small town.)
The 44's I have mic at 430, and the 480's mic at .476.(the 480 Ruger is actually like a 475 Special. I guess 480 sounds bigger.)

Earl.
 
Yeah, we'll, that is probably the reason you don't see what I am seeing. Without the case being run through a LFCD with a bullet of the size I need to work in the Marlin, there is a decent buldge in the case at the base of the bullet. Run the LFCD over it and the buldge goes away.


FWIW

Thanks for the confab about it! Have a good weekend!
 
Take it easy on FCD - it works

You don't have to use a bullet with a cannelure to use the factory crimp die. As was mentioned previously, the usual issue with roll crimping is too much crimp. Take a factory jacketed bullet and look at it closely under a magnifying glass. There is a slight crimp that rolls the mouth of the case inward into the bullet, making an almost seamless transition from case to bullet. Try to copy that in your crimp. Make dummy rounds before you load with primer & powder to get all or your dies set the way you need. Overall length is important here, so use an accurate caliper to measure. Follow the instructions for the factory crimp die, using the lightest amount of crimp first and inspect under the magnifying glass to see if you have what you want. Make a few dummy rounds with different amounts of crimp to compare. Be sure to seat the bullet to the correct OAL, using your caliper. You can always go with more, but cannot undo too much crimp. If you split the plating, you have gone too far. If I remember the directions, start with about a half turn more of adjustment after firming the die to the seated bullet. Check your crimp and adjust from there. You will be pleased with the results. I load Berrys plated 158 gr flat points and they work very well. Best wishes,
RR
 
... in a revolver you MUST roll crimp so the recoil doesnt force the bullet further into the case creating excess pressures...

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the bullets tend to pull forward (out of the case) in a revolver, sometimes enough to lock up the action. Hence the need for a strong crimp with heavier loads.
 
You must be using the wrong die. The FCD for the 45 ACP, is a taper crimp die. It just crimps a little more accurately, than a standard taper crimp die. It does not crush the bullet. If you're using a FCD with the collet type of crimp, then it is not for the 45 ACP.

EarlFH

Sorry Earl, but you are not correct. They make one FCD for the 45acp, taper crimp, but w/ a sizing ring, that is the one I use. It uses a carbide ring to resize the round as loaded. This causes the bullet to get sized smaller if the brass is slightly thicker. Again, 100s of 1000 of rds loaded w/o the LFCD, it's just not needed & with some bullet types in some calibers, it can have an inverse affect on accuracy. The targets don't lie. THis gets debated often but those like me that have tried them know they do NOT work for every bullet type. I would be fine using it w/ jacketed, but why? They do nothing that a std taper crimp die won't do w/ no degredation of accuracy.
http://leeprecision.com/xcart/CARBIDE-FACTORY-CRIMP-DIE-45ACP.html
 
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I like your suggestion with doing some dummy loads, this will give me a feel and background for where the crimp needs to be so it won't breech the coating.

Don't put primers in those dummy loads. I can guran-darn-tee you that one of those will find it's way into your bag & you'll have a stuck bullet.

Guess how I know...:o
 
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