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Wear those day glow reflective vests/jackets when on duty?

As my mind was wandering today trying to solve the worlds problems, a recent incident where a homeowner was killed by police in his home after a self defense shooting kept playing in my mind and how to possibly decrease the likelihood of future ones. Yes, the obvious drop the gun and listen to the police usually works, but let's say it's 2:00 AM , you've just been violently roused out of a deep sleep, there's an intruder in your home and you're forced to shoot to defend yourself. You fire off two or three rounds of .357 at close range in your hallway.
Yes, you're probably close to deaf and depending on how much light there is, not seeing too clearly either. You don't know if there's more than one of these intruders so on top of being in shock from the shooting your senses are extremely heightened. There's someone screaming outside your home, but you can't quite make it out and all you can see is a dark shadowy figure.

Turns out it's a policeman, but in his dark blue uniform in the darkness you can't make him out.

Now OSHA or most corporations requires this safety clothing in just about every trade out there that involves the public or requires employees to "stand out". Construction job sites, quarries and mines, highway workers, truck terminals and warehouses, rail yards, firefighters, heck even my garbage truck driver wears one. Yet we send our police out at zero dark thirty with a dark blue uniform on. Just doesn't make sense. I know a lot of officers use them for traffic duty, but what about those patrol guys out and about, making traffic stops and answering calls? It doesn't take much light to make that clothing really "light up", a distant flash of a headlight or streetlight. I could see it even helping avoid some friendly fire possibilities.

Just seems like a no brainer to me. Is it the tradition of the blue uniform? Maybe I'll look silly in it or it's not tacti-cool? Can't be cost, that stuff is pretty inexpensive compared to other safety and job related equipment.
Yes I have seen some officers starting to wear them (especially state troopers), but it doesn't seem to be a requirement with most departments.
Like I said, just random musings of mine on a very cold late fall day.
 
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Uniformed law enforcement officers today wear high-visibility outerwear more often than ever before, when and where appropriate, for officer safety reasons, obviously.

Responding to a "shots fired" call at 2:00 a.m. in the morning would not be one of those occasions, for officer safety reasons, obviously.
 
Don't worry about the vest. In the situation you describe you will almost certainly be killed by the police and whether they are wearing a vest or not probably won't matter to you.
 
Why not have them wear glow in the dark targets?

Yikes, remind me to never go in your neighborhood where cops are targets.

Regardless, I have seen plenty of suburban officers making traffic stops, answering routine calls, etc. at late hours in their dark blues. With their squads lit up like a Blue Oyster Cult laser show, personally I'd want to be easily identified.
 
Don't worry about the vest. In the situation you describe you will almost certainly be killed by the police and whether they are wearing a vest or not probably won't matter to you.


I wanted to post the YouTube clip here from "My Cousin Vinnie" where Joe Peschi is wondering what outfit to wear deer hunting, and Marrisa Torme describes the little deer drinking at the brook, and then "Bam!" someone shoots him, and do you think he cares what color pants the Hunter is wearing? (It's worth watching, though...).

But after watching the clip, there are too many family unfriendly words present, and I don't want to get "dinged". But the premise is the same. Probably doesn't matter if the guy shooting you has a dayglo vest on or not.

By the way, many traffic police do have vests with "Police", and stripes in "Scotchbrite", or whatever it's called to make them visible to motorists in dark conditions.

Best Regards, Les
 
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Speaking of making oneself visible...

A police car had someone pulled over the other night. The light display was way over the top, blindingly bright. I had to pass at a snail pace, I couldn't see if he was in the road or off to the side. I'm not sure why they think intentionally blinding every driver within half a block makes the situation safer.
 
If I were a police officer working an accident or or a traffic stop on a busy highway at night, I damn sure would put on a reflective/fluorescent vest to reduce the risk of being killed by some heedless schmuck of a passing driver. Our officers here do it, I believe.
 
Turns out it's a policeman, but in his dark blue uniform in the darkness you can't make him out.

If only there was some small, affordable device that would allow you to quickly and easily identify your target before you started blindly spraying gunfire!

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Wear those day glow reflective vests/jackets when on duty?

Because it's more helpful to be able to sneak up on people doing bad things in the night than it is to shine like the stop/slow signhandler on a shoulder rebuild project.

Only time cops wear such stuff is when they're out on the road, and want everybody to see them. Even then it sometimes doesn't work . . .
 
As a retired cop who ventured into the situation you suggest the LAST thing I want to do is wear reflective gear so I can be shot by a suspect. Police announce in a loud voice "POLICE" so there's no Q about who they are. At one point in my career the uniform shirts of seargents & above (I was a lieutenant at the time) was white. I rolled on a burglary in progress call around 3 AM and watched one of the sergeants (officers wore gray shirts) trying to seek cover in the front yard and he was highly visible. Afterward I polled our sergeants and asked the chief to change that policy and he agreed. While I appreciate your concern for the safety of our officers my experience runs contrary to your suggestion. Cops do wear reflective gear working highway crashes but it's otherwise too dangerous.
 
If only there was some small, affordable device that would allow you to quickly and easily identify your target before you started blindly spraying gunfire!

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Seriously, dude, what are you thinking?

I don't think pointing really bright flash light at a police officer at 2am that's on a shots fired call would be a good idea!

I believe the OP is referring to the homeowner that was shot in Colorado a few months ago. It was a home invasion and the homeowner killed the criminal, but when the police arrived he did not put down the handgun or follow the police instructions. the homeowner was shot and killed by the police.

Follow all commands with hands up is a wise choice.
 
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I don't think pointing really bright flash light at a police officer at 2am that's on a shots fired call would be a good idea!

Use the splash. Most beams put out enough light to illuminate without pointing the light directly at what you're trying to see.

On second reading, the post isn't that bad, so I retracted the harshest part of my snark. It's still a weird situation--one would think you'd have plenty of time to call 911 before this, and I don't know why you'd go out to investigate if you thought there was still the possibility of danger.
 
There was a time when our command wore white shirts. We figured they'd get shot at first, Now everyone seems to wear LAPD blue, and all the cops I've seen lately have reflective vests they wear for certain details. A burglary in the dark is NOT one of them.
 
I got up at 2 one morning to go ice fishing 75 miles away. After a great morning I was returning and almost hit an officer with a black uniform standing in the roadway. No flares, lights, his car was off to the side without the overheads on. Anaconda is a backwards place in some ways but I still see that as a very near miss.
 
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