Why choose a model 67 over a 66?

[UncleEd]

Nope, nope, nope...not going down that road. That's why I threw this comment in:

"that's subjective, so take it for what its worth"

If you feel a .38 spcl is perfect for home defense, I'll gladly respect your opinion.

It sure seems you are impugning the great .38 Special
and for that you deserve a verbal thrashing so pointed,
so brutal that you end up on the floor writhing around
and sobbing for mercy. But you will get no mercy.

 

[357-RevolverGuy]

Funny thing is around here it's harder to find an early model 67 than a 66. Both are great K frames but you won't find a 67 with Target trigger or hammer if that's something you really want. A lot of us will vouch that the model 15 was nearly perfect and having a stainless version is icing on the cake. Hard decision to make between the two.

 

[typetwelve]

No harm - I was just curious what you would say. I'm always looking for options.

Honestly? I'd say whatever they're best with.

I had an airweight .38 by my bedside for years, then I moved on to a 9mm springfield XD sub compact (not saying 9mm is a miracle round, but it's solid). Funny enough, I recently swapped to a Charter Arms bulldog 44 spcl...how silly is that?

As is, the 67 has one heck of a hard trigger pull, I'm not sure how effective I'd be with it, it's a longer weapon as well.

I don't think anyone said it was perfect, but between .38 and .357 there's the penetration through walls aspect to consider. Even a snub nose shooting .357 puts out around 500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, compared to roughly 200 ft/lbs for non +P .38 special.

.357 is one I'd be afraid to use...man, it is loud, strong, and unless you're running some low flash powder, would do a good job of blinding everyone in the room. I'd want some super fast expanding rounds for sure, you wouldn't want it just plowing through.

It sure seems you are impugning the great .38 Special
and for that you deserve a verbal thrashing so pointed,
so brutal that you end up on the floor writhing around
and sobbing for mercy. But you will get no mercy.

LOL...I love .38 spcl, I really do.

 

[Triggernosis]

I really wish someone other than Charter Arms would make a decent .44 Special.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I really wish someone other than Charter Arms would make a decent .44 Special.

Ruger makes a GP100 in 44 special.

 

[TomkinsSP]

The 67 because it's one more. Like amps that go to eleven instead of ten. "These go to eleven."

Just be sure the blueprints for your new gun safe are in feet, not inches.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Why would the 38 cylinder be easier to clean than a 357 cylinder??? I do not understand why that would be. Be Safe,

I believe what is meant is: if one shoots .38 special brass in a .38 special cylinder, there will not be a little ridge of carbon that will be there if you shoot .38 brass in a .357 cylinder. And you will not have to remove that carbon when you clean the gun.

 

[diyj98]

Why would the 38 cylinder be easier to clean than a 357 cylinder??? I do not understand why that would be. Be Safe,

When you shoot a lot of 38 specials in a 357 cylinder, you often times end up with powder and bullet residue in the extra free bore. It's just a bit of extra cleaning. Let those build up and you can find it hard to load 357's in the cylinder.

EDIT: TomkinsSP and I must have been typing at the same time.

 

[TomkinsSP]

M64, I like fixed sights.

 

[white cloud]

When I was young the Model 19 was the hot thing and the Model 15 was "not so much". Decades later I think that I would pick the Model 15. But it would be a difficult choice and both are really nice and beautiful guns.

My wife has a Model 67. I had forgotten how well these guns shoot when you use good marksmanship principles. It's almost as nice as a K-22. You don't have a hail of lead on tap but I am in the "only hits count" camp.

 

[Triggernosis]

Ruger makes a GP100 in 44 special.

I said a decent one. . I'm a Ruger fan, but the GP100 is just too big and unwieldy to me. Now, if it came in an SP101 sized gun...oooh yeah!

 

[UncleEd]

I said a decent one. . I'm a Ruger fan, but the GP100 is just too big and unwieldy to me. Now, if it came in an SP101 sized gun...oooh yeah!

I suppose the SP101 could be made as a .44 Special---
a 3-shot revolver.

 

[typetwelve]

I said a decent one. . I'm a Ruger fan, but the GP100 is just too big and unwieldy to me. Now, if it came in an SP101 sized gun...oooh yeah!

I like my Bulldog because of the size and 19oz weight.

The GP100 44spcl is a hefty 36oz and 5rds. In that range, I'd either get a .357, or go up a few oz to Ruger's model 5028 with is full 44 magnum and only 8oz heavier and 6 rds.

 

[Triggernosis]

I like my Bulldog because of the size and 19oz weight.

The Bulldog is perfect in size and weight. It's just that it's a Charter Arms - so rough and cheesy looking machining. I've owned one before and just couldn't be proud of it.

 

[typetwelve]

The Bulldog is perfect in size and weight. It's just that it's a Charter Arms - so rough and cheesy looking machining. I've owned one before and just couldn't be proud of it.

Mine is a '16 build...not sure good or bad, but it is. It's also the stainless model. Overall, it's really not that bad. No joke, I have seen FAR worse machining on Taurus revolvers. My only gripe is the DA trigger...which is hard as nails. No grit, just hard. SA is actually not that bad.

I'll give a revolver a ton or runway if it is $350...just as long as it works. So far, the Bulldog hasn't missed a beat in the function dept, and I've been dry firing the snot out of it trying to get that pull weight down.

 

[JayFramer]

I'm a .38 proponent.

At the risk of being publicly humiliated and having to revoke my man card, being totally honest I do not shoot .357 magnums very well out of anything short of an N frame or heavy long barreled L frame sized firearm.

I shoot .38s and .38 +Ps so much better. I think with proven .38 ammo like the FBI load, and the reduced muzzle blast/flash and lower recoil for better follow up shots, especially out of 4" barrels the .38 is just fine.

So make mine a 64. Also easier to find for better prices in my experience.

 

[Telecaster]

I'm a .38 proponent.

At the risk of being publicly humiliated and having to revoke my man card, being totally honest I do not shoot .357 magnums very well out of anything short of an N frame or heavy long barreled L frame sized firearm.

I shoot .38s and .38 +Ps so much better. I think with proven .38 ammo like the FBI load, and the reduced muzzle blast/flash and lower recoil for better follow up shots, especially out of 4" barrels the .38 is just fine.

So make mine a 64. Also easier to find for better prices in my experience.

I think most would agree with you, but wouldn't admit it publicly

I can't fathom why anyone would even want to shoot .357 out of a Ruger LCR or Airweight.

 

[typetwelve]

I think most would agree with you, but wouldn't admit it publicly

I can't fathom why anyone would even want to shoot .357 out of a Ruger LCR or Airweight.

I wouldn't. I had a 26oz SP101, magnums were uncomfortable in it. I've shot 44 mag in a few in the high 30oz range...and that really sucks. The 19oz bulldog I mentioned before can down right sting even with 44 spcl. I even had a go at a 500 S&W about 10 or so years ago...I have zero want to ever shoot one again, I am too fond of my wrists.

So....357 in a sub 15oz J-Frame? No flipping thanks.

 

[Telecaster]

I had a Speed Six that was just barely tolerable with .357. The SP101 I had was just barely tolerable, but I wouldn't shoot more than one cylinder a day with it. My GP100s, all day long.

 

[UncleEd]

One point, or a couple points, to be made
about the .357 in smaller revolvers is that
you really shouldn't be expected to fire more
than a cylinder full or two for practice.

And in a dire situation, you won't notice the
recoil or the sting to the hands if any.

Now with that out of the way, the .357 remains
a blaster from any size revolver and the decimal level
from any revolver is definitely ear damaging,
sometimes to a serious degree.

So, pick a .357 and decide to tolerate the
recoil on a limited practice basis and then
decide just how important your hearing is
since if used in an emergency you won't be
wearing ear protection.

Among the many hilarious scenes in Magnum
Force is when one of the bad cops is chasing
Dirty Harry inside the ship's passageways.
Presumably bad cop is using magnums. With the
first three-shot burst, his hearing, at least for a
long period, would be nearly gone.

With today's development of excellent .38s, it
seems to me that the .357 is a rather passe
load and should be relegated to hunting situations
or for "just for kicks" shooting at a range with
proper ear protection.

The .38s will also damage hearing but not near to
the extent of the .357.

As revolver guru Bill Jordan used to write, old time
shooters like him went around carrying on "huh? huh?
huh?" conversations.

If any have comments about what I just wrote,
my answer is "huh?"