Why do people say "no dash?"

[VM]

Perfect answer Misty. Everybody wants to know the dash number and it is very important.

 

[Sprefix]

I want your life...........

I think we can all figure out that if you say Model 19 or Model 10 or Model 36 that's what it is and not a 19-2 or a 10-5 or a 36-1 since if it was that's what it is you would have said so.

Am I the only one irritated by the no dash syndrome?

And please don't start talking about your no dash pencil barrel.

If this is the big issue in your life you are a VERY successful person and I want your life............JMO

 

[Centenniel]

Simply for clarity.

 

[Wickahoney]

I'll vote with those that want it added.

Right now there is NO standard that is readily accepted and uniformily used throughout S&W owners or buyer or collects.

Given that there are so many opinions on what is "correct" it is best to error on the side of too much information as opposed to to little.

I've only been at it for 40 years or so and there fore Iwhen somebody says they have a Model 19, I think K framed 357 with a half lugged barrel or shrouded ejector rod with adjustable sights. To me at least that is ALL the designation as a general desorictor meens.

I would not immeadiately think Oh, it's not a Conbat Magnum gun and too early to be model marked notwould I instantly think oh it's a -1 with the threads changed or any of the other engineering changes over time.

That only applies when talking generalities. Once we get down to selling and buying then the dash or engineering congiguration becomes really important. I can understand sellers not listing it initially. What I can't understand is sellers being reluctant to say what it is after being asked.

The same holds true with "pencil" barrel. While it may not be accurate it is a descriptor that is certainly used and used more frequently in different parts of the country.

It certainly provides more and more accurate information than "it's a Model 10" Is it? Is it really a pre Model 10 ergo M&P?

Some people take it more seriously than others. To expect everybody that is into or owns or likes S&Ws to have your interest and knowledge level is a bit.....................................

RWT

 

[Culina]

you could always indicate it as a 19 dash nothing, just to stress that any given piece is not the run of the mill item but something harder to find

 

[Nframe357]

Slow night online huh? This is a non-issue, seriously who cares? If I'm buying it's important to know, if I'm selling it's important info that WILL be asked, if I'm describing it's because I'm with like minded S&W lovers and I like detail, geez.

 

[29aholic]

How bout this

So I guess I'll really piss you off talking about my Model-10 no dash with a pencil barrel and a partridge front sight

FWIW I usually use -0

 

[29aholic]

What a gal!!!

I'm not exactly an expert, but I prefer the "no dash" added on. If someone tells me they have a Model 29 for sale, am I to assume it's a no dash? Could be a big, and expensive, mistake. I've inquired about a few guns on GB where it was listed as a simple model number. When I asked if it was a no dash, I was told it was a -3, -7, whatever. IMHO, no-dash is good. It tells me just what it is, instead of leaving me to assume. And we all know what happens when we assume! +1 for no dash!

You know Misty if you werent so damn tall and I wasnt so damn married...you might be my future ex-wife (I believe that would be -3 )

 

[cush]

Saxon,

I do it because someone might be offended if I said I had a Pre 29-1.

 

[Art Doc]

So, who is confused? Anybody NOT understanding? I think a couple of folks didn't get the nature of my comment. I do think we need to specify the EXACT model number. That last one is a Model 27. Someone once chewed my butt for using a term that S&W never used to describe a pistol. OK, show me where S&W called anything a "no dash."

 

[twaits]

To my way of thinking the importance of the dashes is something that has come along in more recent times. It used to not be so critical to tack a suffix numeral onto a model number reference. I suppose it is convenient. Perhaps the dashes are a measure of how old I'm becoming.

It's that "pencil barrel" reference to the M&P/Model 10 that is grating to me. Standard barrel or perhaps tapered barrel, ok, but the "pencil barrel" or "skinny barrel" as a descriptive term is beneath the dignity of a great revolver. It's heard more as a verbal reference in gun shops and gun shows rather than shows up in print or in forums.

I agree 100% on this. (I have no problem with "no dash")
There's is NOTHING pencil like about a tapered standard barrel M10. NOTHING!
Glad you brought this up

 

[SWID]

I could not help but wonder, when I read this post, what you do when you have a real problem?

It helps remove ambiguity, and as I former MAC animal I don't like ambiguity.

 

[glypnir]

I could not help but wonder, when I read this post, what you do when you have a real problem?

It helps remove ambiguity, and as I former MAC animal I don't like ambiguity.

Yup. As an applications engineer, I like removing ambiguity. It's pretty much a job requirement. And my 640-3 is able to shoot those Magnum thingies, whereas if I had a no-dash one they wouldn't even fit.

Now I do agree that in the exalted Smith and Wesson temple of SaxonPig's beautiful pictures, terms like no-dash and pencil barrel are blasphemous abominations and do not belong.

But in the vulgar hurly-burly of the marketplace, dealing with the unwashed infidels, trying to lead them to the one true faith, sometimes horrible expediencies are necessary.

 

[MKT]

Just to add another minor dimension...

only add a -0 when it is stamped thus, otherwise call it a no dash. There was a specific -0 model, the 627-0 IIRC. Non fluted cylinder, odd shaped barrel and something but I can't recall off hand. That was the only gun I've ever seen with a -0 stamped after the model number.

SP's pictures show the no desh statement is unecessary when all parties are knowledgeable on the subject and the shipping info is known. Those in the know know it is stamped model # and nothing more. When writing about the gun and model I will include the no dash to clarify for everyone else.

 

[Zilmo]

Just to add another minor dimension...

only add a -0 when it is stamped thus, otherwise call it a no dash. There was a specific -0 model, the 627-0 IIRC. Non fluted cylinder, odd shaped barrel and something but I can't recall off hand. That was the only gun I've ever seen with a -0 stamped after the model number.

SP's pictures show the no desh statement is unecessary when all parties are knowledgeable on the subject and the shipping info is known. Those in the know know it is stamped model # and nothing more. When writing about the gun and model I will include the no dash to clarify for everyone else.

Nothing odd about the barrel on this 627-0!!

 

[29aholic]

A new way

OK we could do like the military when one doesnt have a middle name where they use NMI for no middle initial...or we could use semi-computer language and use Model XX-[blank]

Me...the less I have to type the better

 

[ladder13]

I'm not exactly an expert, but I prefer the "no dash" added on. If someone tells me they have a Model 29 for sale, am I to assume it's a no dash? Could be a big, and expensive, mistake. I've inquired about a few guns on GB where it was listed as a simple model number. When I asked if it was a no dash, I was told it was a -3, -7, whatever. IMHO, no-dash is good. It tells me just what it is, instead of leaving me to assume. And we all know what happens when we assume! +1 for no dash!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[Nygma]

Just to add another minor dimension...

only add a -0 when it is stamped thus, otherwise call it a no dash.

+1.
I was hoping someone would say that! There is a difference.

 

[vrichard]

I don`t pay no attention to the dash #,if the barrel don`t have a pin in it i wont buy it.
Dick

 

[Jimmymac46]

For those offended by 'no dash', the logically procedure would be to use -0. If we have dash ones, twos, etc., then -0 would be consistant with the process used by Smith and Wesson. Without describing a firearm as a 'no dash', we would have to guess or worse yet, assume the vintage of a particular firearm. And, we all know that "assumption is the mother of all.........", well, you know!