The big difference with a hammer on a DA revolver or auto is that you have the ability to control the hammer with your thumb upon unholstering/reholstering. A lot of the accidental discharges happen during that phase but of course poor gun handling can make the safest gun in the world a deadly accident waiting to happen.
Why the dislike for striker fired pistols?
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The big difference with a hammer on a DA revolver or auto is that you have the ability to control the hammer with your thumb upon unholstering/reholstering. A lot of the accidental discharges happen during that phase but of course poor gun handling can make the safest gun in the world a deadly accident waiting to happen.
Arik
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This is true and comes down to the individual. Just like I know that I can't drive a stick shift car like an auto, I'm also aware that I carry a glock. I simply look when I'm holstering
zzzippper
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I thank God that I never had this conversation with my dad.
Stargater
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Why is the fed agent a bad example? Even he tells the audience that the Glock is a gun for experts. And showing other accidental discharges really tells us nothing. You have to compare the number of incidents with each type of firearm.
One fellow who experienced an accidental discharge with his Glock states:
In his case, it was a soft leather holster flap that had worked its way into the trigger guard and had depressed the Glock's trigger "safety." Needless to say, this could never have happened with a hammer-fired gun with the safety on or off, unless cocked.
So remember what I said about the Smith's 659/5906? Cocked with no safety? The same accident could have happened with it, but even then the holster would have had to have pushed the trigger a further distance before it had discharged. So even then, having a cocked Smith 659 in the holster would have been safer than having a Glock in ready position. The Glock would only require a nudge, but the Smith would have had to have the slack taken out of the trigger before it went BANG!
Statistically, Glocks and their clones have more accidental discharges than hammer-fired pistols, and departments and agencies that switch from hammer-fired guns to Glocks always see a significant rise in accidental discharges, because the trigger, while technically not cocked, acts as though it were. Just a slight push on the trigger and BANG! This doesn't happen with hammer-fired pistols. That's why I NEVER recommend Glocks, even to experienced shooters. Glocks do shoot great, better than most, but I think hammer-fired pistols are more suitable for nearly everything. In short, Glocks need safeties.
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Smith357
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Not so much "dislike" as "disinterest."
Seriously, you think a striker fired trigger pull feels the same as a DA/SA? M'kay...I have fired a G19 with a worked over trigger that was OK. The box stock G17 was absolutely horrendous...
Yup, Trigger, for me it's all about the trigger. I like a trigger that breaks like the proverbial glass rod. There might be a striker fired pistol out there with a trigger as good as a hammer fired pistol, I just have not shot one yet. My bolt action rifles are striker fired and they have fabulous triggers, why are the striker fired handgun triggers so horrendous? I bought an M&P 45 due to a wild hair, it's a good reliable pistol with a usable trigger, I have shot Glocks and XDs and they are serviceable but they will never feel as crisp as a 1911, Sig, Browning, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen S&W.
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I carry daily. Whenever I holster a revolver, I hold the hammer down with my thumb so that I can feel it if anything (like a holster) starts to cock the hammer. Whenever I holster an autoloader, I hold the hammer back while holstering.
Do you see where I'm headed?
Do you see where I'm headed?
goldenlight
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You just don't hear about people having 'accidents', and shooting themselves with DA/SA semiauto pistols. The same with revolvers, of course.
I wonder how many people have been unintentionally shot by Glocks, and other striker fired pistols without an active safety. And by active safety, I mean one that can be engaged via lever, buy the gun's owner.
They don't call it 'Glock leg' without due cause, IMHO.
I wonder how many people have been unintentionally shot by Glocks, and other striker fired pistols without an active safety. And by active safety, I mean one that can be engaged via lever, buy the gun's owner.
They don't call it 'Glock leg' without due cause, IMHO.
Arik
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Why it's a bad example? Because it's used over and over as if it were a thousand examples. The same example can be used for all other guns. Based on one (that specific one) example I can find a reason to not carry a 5906 or a 1911 or a revolver.
The other example doesn't state what type of holster the guy was using. He could have been carrying Mexican style or in a holster ment for a different gun, like so many people often do. You wouldn't put diesel into a gas engine car why would you use a holster for a different gun. It might be close enough until that one time when it isn't. Whatever holster he was carrying in had the trigger on something. Maybe this time the gun was shoved a little too far down. Or maybe the holster was worn
The other example doesn't state what type of holster the guy was using. He could have been carrying Mexican style or in a holster ment for a different gun, like so many people often do. You wouldn't put diesel into a gas engine car why would you use a holster for a different gun. It might be close enough until that one time when it isn't. Whatever holster he was carrying in had the trigger on something. Maybe this time the gun was shoved a little too far down. Or maybe the holster was worn
jag312
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Striker-fired guns are okay with me. Plastic guns are not.
sub-moa
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“Why the dislike for striker fired pistols?” you ask:
Unfortunately it often seems to be a matter of stubborn hidebound ignorance, with an...all too frequent, streak of combative arrogance
Then there's the seemingly ceaseless, overenthusiastic, ignorantly myopic prattle of the endless procession of Glock fanbois that seem to enflame some into…just as mindless, counter-action
There are also those who are so absolutely brilliant as to know just about…alright not just about, EVERYTHING there is to know about every gun of every type and description. Such individuals…of-course, have what mere mortals would call an opinion…about every gun of every type and description. These individuals are eager to nit-pick at anything with pronouncements…not opinions mind you, pronouncements, as if said pronouncements were a word for word quote from the tablets some bearded dude in a robe brought down from a mountain somewhere east of here…a long time ago
There is a pseudo-sub-set of the above…sitting all alone in the basement of mom’s house in their underwear, who’ve randomly adopted this subject and through the anonymity of the internet, can and do post as if they are actually someone the masses should listen to…all because they possess the kind of Google Foo that enables them to argue anything at any time on the internet…and back it up with Wiki-references
There's also the segment that...having become almost semi-proficient with a particular type of pistol become frustrated when they can't "perform" to the same imagined level of proficiency...immediately upon picking up a striker fired plastic fantastic, so they naturally blame the striker fired plastic fantastic
An additional segment...sometimes confused with the previous group, are those who actually might have spent some time at International/Bullseye/2700 games who have convinced themselves that even duty/defensive pistols must have a 2 to 3 ½ lb. short stroke trigger with an overtravel stop...that breaks like the proverbial glass rod
Finally, there are the desperate attempts by some to conceal the very fact that they're actually terrified of the most popular duty/defensive pistol out there
Did I miss anyone
Unfortunately it often seems to be a matter of stubborn hidebound ignorance, with an...all too frequent, streak of combative arrogance
Then there's the seemingly ceaseless, overenthusiastic, ignorantly myopic prattle of the endless procession of Glock fanbois that seem to enflame some into…just as mindless, counter-action
There are also those who are so absolutely brilliant as to know just about…alright not just about, EVERYTHING there is to know about every gun of every type and description. Such individuals…of-course, have what mere mortals would call an opinion…about every gun of every type and description. These individuals are eager to nit-pick at anything with pronouncements…not opinions mind you, pronouncements, as if said pronouncements were a word for word quote from the tablets some bearded dude in a robe brought down from a mountain somewhere east of here…a long time ago
There is a pseudo-sub-set of the above…sitting all alone in the basement of mom’s house in their underwear, who’ve randomly adopted this subject and through the anonymity of the internet, can and do post as if they are actually someone the masses should listen to…all because they possess the kind of Google Foo that enables them to argue anything at any time on the internet…and back it up with Wiki-references
There's also the segment that...having become almost semi-proficient with a particular type of pistol become frustrated when they can't "perform" to the same imagined level of proficiency...immediately upon picking up a striker fired plastic fantastic, so they naturally blame the striker fired plastic fantastic
An additional segment...sometimes confused with the previous group, are those who actually might have spent some time at International/Bullseye/2700 games who have convinced themselves that even duty/defensive pistols must have a 2 to 3 ½ lb. short stroke trigger with an overtravel stop...that breaks like the proverbial glass rod
Finally, there are the desperate attempts by some to conceal the very fact that they're actually terrified of the most popular duty/defensive pistol out there
Did I miss anyone
cowart
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LVSteve
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Not all striker fired pistols have poor triggers. Ever fired a Steyr M9? It has a pretty crisp trigger, certainly vastly superior to any standard Glock. It also has a manual safety as well as a trigger safety. The M&P has a pretty good trigger, so easy in fact I prefer the option of a manual safety as well. The Springfield XD also has a similarly good trigger IMHO. My Beretta Neos is striker fired and the trigger on that is just fine. Don't be judging all striker fired pistols by your experiences with Glocks.
All this talk of wearing out the striker springs makes me wonder where some of you get the time and money for ammo to wear one out.
All this talk of wearing out the striker springs makes me wonder where some of you get the time and money for ammo to wear one out.
My experience with the Glocks and specifically an Glock 21 was very short. The first time I took it to the range, I fired one magazine through it and then packed it up and took it back to the gun shop. I used it as a deposit on a Sig 220. I now have three Sig 220s: one in the bed room, one in my truck and one in my shop.
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Funny. I've heard so many negative comments on various boards but now everybody likes 'em.
I have had a few, and the results were mostly good. I did have some that do not hit the primers hard enough, and one was downright un-dependable with Federal Hydra shock ammo because it could not kick the primers hard enough consistently.
I sent it back, and they worked on it. It got better, but never was fully cured.
This sais, I like the Springfield XD's best of the striker fired that I have used.
Alpo
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“Why the dislike for striker fired pistols?” you ask:
Unfortunately it often seems to be a matter of stubborn hidebound ignorance, with an...all too frequent, streak of combative arrogance
Then there's the seemingly ceaseless, overenthusiastic, ignorantly myopic prattle of the endless procession of Glock fanbois that seem to enflame some into…just as mindless, counter-action
There are also those who are so absolutely brilliant as to know just about…alright not just about, EVERYTHING there is to know about every gun of every type and description. Such individuals…of-course, have what mere mortals would call an opinion…about every gun of every type and description. These individuals are eager to nit-pick at anything with pronouncements…not opinions mind you, pronouncements, as if said pronouncements were a word for word quote from the tablets some bearded dude in a robe brought down from a mountain somewhere east of here…a long time ago
There is a pseudo-sub-set of the above…sitting all alone in the basement of mom’s house in their underwear, who’ve randomly adopted this subject and through the anonymity of the internet, can and do post as if they are actually someone the masses should listen to…all because they possess the kind of Google Foo that enables them to argue anything at any time on the internet…and back it up with Wiki-references
There's also the segment that...having become almost semi-proficient with a particular type of pistol become frustrated when they can't "perform" to the same imagined level of proficiency...immediately upon picking up a striker fired plastic fantastic, so they naturally blame the striker fired plastic fantastic
An additional segment...sometimes confused with the previous group, are those who actually might have spent some time at International/Bullseye/2700 games who have convinced themselves that even duty/defensive pistols must have a 2 to 3 ½ lb. short stroke trigger with an overtravel stop...that breaks like the proverbial glass rod
Finally, there are the desperate attempts by some to conceal the very fact that they're actually terrified of the most popular duty/defensive pistol out there
Did I miss anyone
That might have been an interesting post. Don't know. Your choice to type in white means it is unreadable.
Try the default "black" next time. Gets your point across better.
Harrison
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A far as rifles go, I have to agree. The very height of rifle development was/is the Winchester 1885 Highwall. Then along came the Mauser 98 and things went down hill from there. Now we have had black guns foisted off on us.
Will Carry
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I would like for everyone to think that I was such a fine shot with a handgun, that a trigger made a big difference, but I'm not. I'm not a bad shot, just not THAT good. I have a mix of striker fired and hammer fired handguns. At the range, my 1911, CZ-75 and Bisley Vaquero are my favorite but for self defense I carry a Glock.
sub-moa
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