perfectcircle1
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just picked up three boxes at wallyworld. Gun stores are lying cause i just paid 8.97 not 19.99
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Why would LGS Lie to good customers faces.
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MichiganScott
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The manufacturers have not raised their prices any more than they normally would. In defense of the LGS, they do not sell TV's, tires, and cheap clothing to off set the cost of standing behind the counter talking politics with some guy that's just kicking tires before he returns to Walmart to purchase a new Remchester deer rifle.
rakstr
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Same box as well as a white box version with an F on the end of the product ID were $8.99 at Academy yesterday.
just picked up three boxes at wallyworld. Gun stores are lying cause i just paid 8.97 not 19.99
old&slow
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I'm sorry , I don't understand. Why would you pay $19.99 when you can go down the road and get the same thing for $8.99 ?
I quite often choose one store over another because of price or service.
I've seen 1000 rds. of 5.56 on GB for $1200. I've seen Pmags for $60 ea. I've seen AR's for $3000. You can ask what ever you want. But, IF people are Not willing to pay it ,..?
By the way I have a used toothbrush, I'm asking $1500 for..
I quite often choose one store over another because of price or service.
I've seen 1000 rds. of 5.56 on GB for $1200. I've seen Pmags for $60 ea. I've seen AR's for $3000. You can ask what ever you want. But, IF people are Not willing to pay it ,..?
By the way I have a used toothbrush, I'm asking $1500 for..
beemerphile
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^This. I was at a local large gun store recently and there were just two people working there vs. what used to be about ten. I guess the others are on short-term layoff as there is nothing to sell. I doubt that $19.95 would even cover their cost at the moment. Cost includes more than just the wholesale cost of the item. Wally World negotiates hard with manufacturers for best pricing. I used to sell to them, I know. Sam used to say "I don't make money when I sell something, I make money when I buy it." A Wal*Mart supplier gets paid "Everyday Low Prices" for their product. Your LGS buys in small quantities from a distributor, not the manufacturer. Wal*Mart's cost of delivery and sales is also minimized by the economics of scale (ask Wal*Mart employees about "Everyday Low Wages"). Doesn't mean that anyone lied. The LGS is at a serious competitive disadvantage and is suffering from it - especially during this system upset.
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gkitch
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Business boils down to supply and demand. Now that supply is returning to meet demand, prices will go down.
troutjunkie
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LGS Are liars.
A "gun store" here had umc fmj .40 S&W in sandwich baggies of 25 for 20.00 yesterday.
A "gun store" here had umc fmj .40 S&W in sandwich baggies of 25 for 20.00 yesterday.
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perfectcircle1
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I don't wanna hear any defense for lgs's. they sell guns with a 200-300 dollar markup. plus they are selling 10 times as many guns lately. There's no defense for them.
I don't wanna hear any defense for lgs's. they sell guns with a 200-300 dollar markup. plus they are selling 10 times as many guns lately. There's no defense for them.
Arik
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Re: LGS Are liars.
Not really (im sure some are though)
I dont know who WM uses but LGSs use middle man/distributors. Often no two gun stores use the same distributor. Distributors charge a fee and its often based on how much the LGS can sell (today its not a problem). For instance, in the past my LGS was able to get deals on M&Ps. They were new and flying out the door for $375. Same with the FN45 tactical @ $599. Great prices but the catch was they had to buy several thousand at one time. A few miles away another LGS couldnt even come close on those prices....different distributor. Now the roles are reversed. The other LGS has plenty of ammo and until just recently was selling it by the case while the first LGS has been limited to one box per cal, per person, per day. Again different distributors, different stock, 5 miles apart.
WM might deal directly with the manufacturers. Also not all Walmarts sell guns and ammo. Closest one to me that does is 20 miles away while several near by Walmarts dont. To buy a rifle at Walmart I'd have to drive 1.5 hours and pay turnpike tolls. Walmart can offset their ammo prices with the sheer volume of sales from all other departments including such as electronics, clothing, food, home goods, their other store.....Sams Club, their new cell phone service provider (yes if you haven't seen it yet WM is not just selling cell phones but also providing cell service) the space they rent to a bank (located inside the stores). Thats a huge offset that no LGS is going to match.
Comparing the two is like apples and cheese steak.
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just picked up three boxes at wallyworld. Gun stores are lying cause i just paid 8.97 not 19.99
Not really (im sure some are though)
I dont know who WM uses but LGSs use middle man/distributors. Often no two gun stores use the same distributor. Distributors charge a fee and its often based on how much the LGS can sell (today its not a problem). For instance, in the past my LGS was able to get deals on M&Ps. They were new and flying out the door for $375. Same with the FN45 tactical @ $599. Great prices but the catch was they had to buy several thousand at one time. A few miles away another LGS couldnt even come close on those prices....different distributor. Now the roles are reversed. The other LGS has plenty of ammo and until just recently was selling it by the case while the first LGS has been limited to one box per cal, per person, per day. Again different distributors, different stock, 5 miles apart.
WM might deal directly with the manufacturers. Also not all Walmarts sell guns and ammo. Closest one to me that does is 20 miles away while several near by Walmarts dont. To buy a rifle at Walmart I'd have to drive 1.5 hours and pay turnpike tolls. Walmart can offset their ammo prices with the sheer volume of sales from all other departments including such as electronics, clothing, food, home goods, their other store.....Sams Club, their new cell phone service provider (yes if you haven't seen it yet WM is not just selling cell phones but also providing cell service) the space they rent to a bank (located inside the stores). Thats a huge offset that no LGS is going to match.
Comparing the two is like apples and cheese steak.
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fat tom
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Glad the shops around here aren't gouging us. Well,3 of the 4 aren't at least. The 4th guy has been gouging for 30 years. He did sell about 600 guns to Gander Mountain not too long ago.
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beemerphile
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Let's see... You publish the "fact" that they are liars and don't want to hear how there may be another explanation. And you posted why? To express your know-all end-all command of the situation?
Maybe we should teach them a lesson and put all of them out of business. We can do to ourselves what the anti's were unable to do by legislation. They sold "ten times as many guns" for 'bout a week. That bolus is spent.
Arik
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Re: LGS Are liars.
Ok sure. One goes to a middle man the other directly to the manufacturer. One owns their own delivery trucks the other has to pay UPS. One can stop selling ammo and still be fine, the other has to call his distributor, see if anything is available and pay more then the other LGS or get in line and wait.
$200-$300 dollar mark up? Ok my LGS was charging $1100 for a basic Colt 6920 AR. Today, to buy one from a DISTRIBUTOR, its closer to $1600 and sell for $1700-$1800. So to you the markup is $800 +/- but the LGS is making the same $$ as before but not being able to restock as fast or at all. Meanwhile they still have to pay employees, electricity, rent if any, pay people who want to sell their guns. The buying frenzy really lasted about 2 weeks or so. In that time EVERYTHING was sold. Now what trickles in gets snatched up quick. But all that other stuff still has to be paid.
There are only so many manufacturers (who by the way were already behind before all this) and with the span of a week EVERY LGS IN THE country is placing large orders for EVERYTHING. All 4 LGSs within a 10 mile radius of me have not seen 223/556 ammo in weeks. One managed to get a case of AE 223 and was selling it for $15/box. I think the ammo lasted 1/2 a day
Im sure there are some who are gauging prices but that seems to be an exception.
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Ok sure. One goes to a middle man the other directly to the manufacturer. One owns their own delivery trucks the other has to pay UPS. One can stop selling ammo and still be fine, the other has to call his distributor, see if anything is available and pay more then the other LGS or get in line and wait.
$200-$300 dollar mark up? Ok my LGS was charging $1100 for a basic Colt 6920 AR. Today, to buy one from a DISTRIBUTOR, its closer to $1600 and sell for $1700-$1800. So to you the markup is $800 +/- but the LGS is making the same $$ as before but not being able to restock as fast or at all. Meanwhile they still have to pay employees, electricity, rent if any, pay people who want to sell their guns. The buying frenzy really lasted about 2 weeks or so. In that time EVERYTHING was sold. Now what trickles in gets snatched up quick. But all that other stuff still has to be paid.
There are only so many manufacturers (who by the way were already behind before all this) and with the span of a week EVERY LGS IN THE country is placing large orders for EVERYTHING. All 4 LGSs within a 10 mile radius of me have not seen 223/556 ammo in weeks. One managed to get a case of AE 223 and was selling it for $15/box. I think the ammo lasted 1/2 a day
Im sure there are some who are gauging prices but that seems to be an exception.
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Walmart knew to not put all its eggs in one basket. It makes up in cheap clothing what it loses in ammo. Simple Business Economics 101.
Small gunstores with limited financial resources and inventory cannot compete under these conditions for very long. The playing field is not level in the business world.
A company can make $100 selling one gun, or another can make $10 for the same gun but sells ten of them. Who do you think will survive?
Small gunstores with limited financial resources and inventory cannot compete under these conditions for very long. The playing field is not level in the business world.
A company can make $100 selling one gun, or another can make $10 for the same gun but sells ten of them. Who do you think will survive?
Titegroups
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People are acting like idiots, as long as you have enough ammo to defend yourself and hunt with which aimt much, forget about the gun thing for a while and find sometjing else to do. Screw them all.
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perfectcircle1
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Re: LGS Are liars.
I know all the scenarios. I own my own business. I was told by a very close friend of mine that works at a store distributor prices has not changed on ammo meanwhile at the store that i visit the most and am friendly with its operators, looks at me right in the face and says "distributor prices has gone way up". That is a bold face lie.
I know all the scenarios. I own my own business. I was told by a very close friend of mine that works at a store distributor prices has not changed on ammo meanwhile at the store that i visit the most and am friendly with its operators, looks at me right in the face and says "distributor prices has gone way up". That is a bold face lie.
Arik
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Oh one more thing i forgot. Stores like WM can actually sell small items at a loss and still make money. Ammo is a very small part of their sales and they can take a loss in it if it means more foot traffic. Say that they are selling ammo $5 less then they paid. You had no plans on going there at all but find out this and tell your wife youre gonna run down to WM and pick up a few boxes. Since you are already ging she decides to go with you. While there she finds stuff for the kids, the house, maybe for her mother or sister. You go up to the register and pay $50 for your total. Because they sold the ammo for a $5 loss they didnt actually loose $5 but instead made $45. That is $45 more that they made if they had no ammo and you had not come in.
Huge businesses can do this and generate more money then they would if they hadnt done it. How do you think they can sell 50in tv's for $50 on black friday. They know its a loss but the sheer number of people that will show up will buy other stuff and more then make up for the difference
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Oh one more thing i forgot. Stores like WM can actually sell small items at a loss and still make money. Ammo is a very small part of their sales and they can take a loss in it if it means more foot traffic. Say that they are selling ammo $5 less then they paid. You had no plans on going there at all but find out this and tell your wife youre gonna run down to WM and pick up a few boxes. Since you are already ging she decides to go with you. While there she finds stuff for the kids, the house, maybe for her mother or sister. You go up to the register and pay $50 for your total. Because they sold the ammo for a $5 loss they didnt actually loose $5 but instead made $45. That is $45 more that they made if they had no ammo and you had not come in.
Huge businesses can do this and generate more money then they would if they hadnt done it. How do you think they can sell 50in tv's for $50 on black friday. They know its a loss but the sheer number of people that will show up will buy other stuff and more then make up for the difference
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dougb1946
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Unless you are looking at their invoices and balance sheets, you have no idea what the costs are involved with selling a gun . Every item sold has freight, electric, water and sewer, payroll, property taxes, and a a host of other costs associated with it, including the chunk the govt and the owners take home. If they are charging too much, there will be plenty available to sell on the counter. If they are not charging enough, the counter will be bare. There is really no reason to sell it if you can not make a profit, and if you sell for $5 and it costs $6 to replace, you are not ahead.
The old story about the retailer, at his going out of business sale; I knew I was selling below cost, but I though volume would carry me. Walmart, because of their size and aggressive bargaining with suppliers, can and does get special pricing from many vendors. But the 6 members of Sams family, together, have more wealth than the 100,000,000 people in our lowest income category, and expect to maintain their standard of living.(TV special "Secrets of the Manorhouse www.pbs.org/about/news/archive/2012/manor-house/ will explain how this works)
The old story about the retailer, at his going out of business sale; I knew I was selling below cost, but I though volume would carry me. Walmart, because of their size and aggressive bargaining with suppliers, can and does get special pricing from many vendors. But the 6 members of Sams family, together, have more wealth than the 100,000,000 people in our lowest income category, and expect to maintain their standard of living.(TV special "Secrets of the Manorhouse www.pbs.org/about/news/archive/2012/manor-house/ will explain how this works)
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perfectcircle1
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Omg! if some of u would please read the thread in its entirety you would see what im sayin
old&slow
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I don't know about your LGS. I don't like being gouged or lied to either.
The last motorcycle I purchased, I went to a dealer, he tried to gouge me. So, I went down the road to another dealer and ordered the same bike for a price I was willing to pay.
Not all MC dealers are the same. Not all LGS are the same.
ps: I have read the entire thread.
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