Wife's first gun

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So my wife surprised me when I came home the other day and said that she wants a gun. I work late and she wants to be able to defend herself if the situation arises.
Here is my problem...... she incredibly tiny hands. I have a Sig938 that is almost too big for her to reach all the controls with one hand. I figured I would get her a .380 or 38spl but with her hands being so small I can't think of where to start. Guess I'll just have to take here to a LGS and have her "try" some out for size.
Anyone else out there run into the same issue?
 
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With my wife it was more of being able to rack the action of most any semi. I gave her two S&W 640's and taught her to shoot/reload and shoot again and shes GTG.

Is she able to grip and reach the controls on a J frame?

Edit: Hornady makes a 90 grain .38 spl Lite round with lesser recoil, just an fyi.
 
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A J frame my not be the best if she has not shot much before, but if she has a 640 would be a good choice. A Glock 42 might be another good option as it has light recoil and is not to hard to rack the slide.

Although your best bet would be to go and try a lot of different handguns to see what works best.
 
I would have her look at a j-frame first. My mother now lives alone and has pretty small and weak hands(she's elderly). She took a concealed carry class and the instructor recommended she get a Glock 26 despite the fact she couldn't even rack the slide. She couldn't even really remember how to safely operate it a few days after the class. She won't be training much or at all and DAO revolvers are as about simple(and safe) as it gets, so I took her revolver shopping and she picked up a no-lock S&W 442. I took her out a couple of times to get familiar with firing it and while she's no sharpshooter with it, she can make hits with it at realistic close range likely self-defense distances. Another advantage to the revolver is that the grips are easily changed or modified to suit the individual.

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A LGS near me used to offer a service where a CC instructor would help fit a handgun with someone who had never shot before and give then some basic instruction. The group was limited to 2-3. A couple of female co-workers took the service and found handguns they were comfortable with and, as a result , could shoot effectively.

I'd suggest that you find a CC instructor and pay him or her few bucks to advise on a few suitable weapons. Then rent the likely suspects at a LGS that has a range and see which one your wife likes best, can operate comfortably, and can shoot the best.

In essence, give your wife some reasonable options and let her select caliber, operating system, and size.
 
Is she Brand New to Shooting? If so, as spad124 suggested, get her enrolled into a shooting class (Intro to shooting), with an instructor that has a variety on handguns she can actually try (shoot).

Why have someone else teach her?

  1. People pay attention to an instructor that's not a family member (:D)
  2. People pay more attention when they're paying for a class
  3. The instructor can assist in finding the right handgun for her
Why have her actually try/shoot a variety?
How many guns have you bought that felt GREAT in your hand (at the counter), only to find (after you bought it) that it didn't feel that great to shoot? Before we found a range with a good selection of rentals, my Wife (and I) both kissed a bunch of 'Toads' before finding our 'Princes' (or Princesses). :)


Now-a-days, I won't buy a handgun that I haven't first tried (either tried a friend's, tried someone's at the range, or rented).
 
Take her to the best gun store you can get to, one with competent people. If they will let her shoot some guns it's a big plus for her.

Give her your check book or credit card and stay in the car.

If she comes back with a new gun compliment her on her choice and take her shooting.
 
Sometimes a more senior gal will have problems with the double action on a chief---but a good action job will make all of the difference needed.
 
From experience

My instructional efforts have focused on kids (4H) and women-
The J frame is favored by many who have smaller hands, limited strength-but I have come across some new J frames that have heavy triggers-and they require some thumb strength for SA.
My wife's favorite was an old M36 with a reworked trigger-
Recently I was helping a young lady and she was shooting her dads 9mm auto-she was having alot of trouble-flinching, hard to get a good grip etc. I put her on a 36 loaded with Colt .38s (short .38s)-she did fine.
I don't worry about caliber too much-the grip, and action are critical-confidence and skill development leads to bigger calibers-bigger pistols.
 
First let me state I am not trying to start a debate about which caliber is best for personal defense, let's avoid that here if possible. My wife used to be anti-gun. She would not even touch any of my guns, handguns in particular. Then something happened that fundamentally changed her view. What happened is a story for another time/place. Lets say I am happy and leave it at that. She decided she needed to carry a gun and asked if she could. I told her in TX she could not open carry (I know, this is TX, go figure) and had to have a permit to conceal carry. That started her quest for her permit. In TX to get your permit you must complete some classroom training and show proficiency at the range with your handgun, 50 rounds, .32 cal. minimum.

She tried my guns, OK with a .22 but but can't rack the slide on anything larger. My .38 had too much recoil for her. After some searching we decided to try a .32H&R Magnum revolver. This is a J frame size revolver. It also fires .32SW and .32SW Long. She was thrilled. I showed her the basics then paid an instructor to work with her (very smart move on my part). She qualified with a score of 230/250 at the range. It is her carry gun.

I shot it and like it too, for what it is. To me the recoil was very similar to a .22LR round. With the proper personal defense ammo I am OK with it. When I get old and arthritic I might be the one carrying it. She is now beginning to explore some of my other guns. She has actually claimed my SW MP22 Compact as hers, like I'm going to let that happen.

This turnaround took place over a period of about two months. Now I can't go to a gun show without her insisting she needs to go too. Gonna be hard to make surreptitious purchases if this continues.
 
I would be eternally pleased if that happened to my wife. I wanted her to learn to shoot, and learn to carry. A fellow deputy is an NRA instructor and would teach her. First I asked her to think about whether she could kill another person. The same question I asked myself before going into law enforcement. I said yes, after two weeks she said no. I bought her a can of horseradish spray.
 
First off, it helps a lot if she's very much involved in the decision making process. It's a common thing here to see "I got my wife this gun" or "I think my wife should get this or that gun" etc.... Not a good tactic.

That being said, as a recommendation, my wife (after a few years of trial and error) settled on a Sig P238. She liked the setup of my P938 but didn't like the grip size or kick. The 238 has a smaller grip and is overall smaller, which makes it a perfect fit for her.

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I was also going to suggest a J frame with maybe a T grip adapter. Maybe even a K frame with the adapter. Fairly light loads to start. I always thought it would be a lot more fun to start them off with a 45 acp, find out it is too much and keep it yourself, then go to a .357 mag and find out it is too much and keep it yourself then.....well you get the idea. Not practical but fun. My wife was much the same way, the slides on all my handguns were too much for her, she settled on a Ruger SR 22 and feels comfortable with it. Not going to stop a bull but 10 rounds of hollow points should get someone's undivided attention if need be. Good luck, you're in an enviable situation.
 
I small frame revolver using 148 grain wad cutters have the least recoil you are going to find in a center fire handgun!!:p

Wad cutters are not toys!!:D
 
Here is my problem...... she incredibly tiny hands.

I wear kids size gloves, my handspan is about 6 inches. I started with a 640 J Frame revolver and it fits, like a glove. :-).

I have just recently (much to my chagrin)discovered that a full size 1911 with a short trigger, thin grips and a flat back strap is just fine for me. I've been using a WWII 1911 and am trying to figure out if I can afford to buy it. Another full size 1911 that fit was a Wilson Combat CQB full size with thin grips, shorter trigger and flat mainspring housing. Sadly that one is way out of my price range.

Another 1911 that works is an STI International Trojan 45 ACP

I can also carry an M&P in 40 with the small grips but it's not perfect. I've tried several Walthers that also work but the fiddly mag release soured me on them.

For revolvers the Ruger LCP worked but didn't feel as good as the Smith J Frames.

I never even tried a 1911 until recently because I was "sure" I'd never be able to hold one. SO find a good LGS that will allow her to try stuff and hold it before ruling out anything.

PS Let HER decide. The best Christmas present I got from my husband was a post it note that said For the Handgun of your choice. He let me pick my first out completely on my own and I wasn't able to test fire any first as there was no place locally. That and a good LGS made the decision a relatively easy one.
 
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So my wife surprised me when I came home the other day and said that she wants a gun. I work late and she wants to be able to defend herself if the situation arises.
Here is my problem...... she incredibly tiny hands. I have a Sig938 that is almost too big for her to reach all the controls with one hand. I figured I would get her a .380 or 38spl but with her hands being so small I can't think of where to start. Guess I'll just have to take here to a LGS and have her "try" some out for size.
Anyone else out there run into the same issue?

BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING...... let her shoot a variety of yours or friends guns. The smaller guns that might fit her hand in a LGS might pack a bit more recoil than she is able to handle. She might be better off picking something AFTER actually shooting a bunch of different guns. Just a suggestion........ ;)
 
Take her to the best gun store you can get to, one with competent people. If they will let her shoot some guns it's a big plus for her.

Give her your check book or credit card and stay in the car.

Gun store with competent people is an oxymoron.

My wife asked to see a used 3913 at a LGS one time. Before doing anything, the salesman said, "You know that's a 9mm?"

She poked her thumb at me and said, "I shoot his .45 better than he does. What's your point?"

The cowboys behind the counter will sell her a J frame or a compact .380 in pink if you don't go along and prevent it. Both are bad choices for a new shooter.

My wife's first gun was/is a 4" Model 28. Left alone, the girls will sometimes surprise up. She has since purchased a 3913 and a M&P 9c which she carries when she feels the need. She brought the 9c home without my knowledge. If she could, she'd carry her AR.
 
My wife is always getting a new gun.

Hey honey, look what I got you for your birthday!
My birthday isn't for adopt 10 months. (She gives me the standard :rolleyes:.)
Ok... well I'll take it to the range and check it out for ya. :D
 
This subject should be approached from a self-defense perspective rather than of one as a shooter. They are two very different pursuits. If your wife knows absolutely nothing about personal defense or using firearms in that context, she would not be very helpful in determining what an effective weapon choice would be even for herself and likely pick based on appearance and comfort. She has to be able to effectively grip the pistol(not the same thing as being comfortable in the hand) and be able to reach and work the trigger.

Civilian defense encounters happen at extreme close quarters. She needs to be able to make multiple combat accurate hits at close range in fairly quick succession. She should be able to shoot it one handed, from retention as well as from unorthodox positions, which is the norm in civilian self-defense. Limp-wristing is a HUGE issue with small semi-automatics in this context. I've seen numerous people(especially women) who can shot an auto just fine from a established stance either a two handed grip, but have them fire it one handed from relaxed stance or while moving, and they will often have malfunctions. This is not an issue with a revolver. A short barreled, lightweight j-frame, particularly with an enclosed hammer is something she'll likely keep handy(ideally on her person)at all times(there may not be time or opportunity to retrieve it), it offers excellent weapon retention and has many close quarter advantages.

Violent criminals want to catch you off-guard and unprepared. Folks need to get out of this mindset that they are always going to have substantial warning, lead time and distance to retrieve firearms or will have time to take up a position, lie in wait, take a range stance, readying self to fire with a picture perfect grip while someone kicks in their door. That can and does sometimes happen, but it just as often does not and it's those ambush/counter-ambush scenarios that we are most worried about.

Generally, the more training the better, but really not a necessity. She doesn't need to shoot a whole lot or go to the range frequently to be able to learn and use a firearm effective. Simply putting a lot of rounds down range from a static stance using a perfect two handed grip isn't very effective training for the realities of a home invasion.

If she can effectively shoot the firearm, recoil shouldn't really be much of a concern, even if it makes her want to limit her live fire training. A substantial defense caliber like a .38 special she is efficient enough with even if she doesn't really enjoy shooting is still better than a sub-caliber like .22 that she loves to shoot and practices with often when it comes to self-defense. Refusing or being scared to shoot at all though would be a very big problem. Self-defense is the goal, not simply being a shooter.

A woman home alone(or just her and children)is a very different scenario than when is there is an adult male in the home and intruders will often approach it differently. Woman are by nature, more trusting, less environmentally aware of violent threats and generally react and respond less favorably and effectively in violent crisis. He(they) will often be more aggressive and less easily deterred by expectations or threats of resistance, because that is what he has learned through his life as a predator and what is often reality. To best address the situation, you must learn these lessons as well to understand how best to defend against them.

Having a gun is just part of the total equation. You have to have a well rehearsed plan and a working knowledge of how actual scenarios unfold and where you're vulnerable. Answering the door, taking out the trash, letting the dog or cat outside, getting the mail, coming home through the front door or even the garage are opportunities criminals take advantage of most people never think about.

Here's a compilation of video footage of various home invasions that are worthy of study.

http://wilsondefense.blogspot.com/2015/08/home-invasions-caught-on-camera.html
 
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