Will you collect collet the Guns from the public?

[billhud]

I got into an interesting discussion with the Sargent the other day. I told him that if ordered to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens "I will not and would rather surrender my commission first" The rest of the officers that I talked with said the same thing!
All the military members I know said they wouldn't do it either.
So....... If the police won't and the military wont Who is going to come for our guns?

"...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, ..."

Many actually do take our oaths seriously.

 

[billhud]

You say you took the oath in '61 and haven't forgotten it, but you left out..

"and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

If it's eventually made law like straightshooter1, than it WOULD be a lawful order, and the order would have to be followed.

Such can be made into law with corresponding door to door searches and/or confiscations only once the 2d and 4th admendments are repealed.

 

[Stophel]

Such can be made into law with corresponding door to door searches and/or confiscations only once the 2d and 4th admendments are repealed.

...and the 9th, and the 10th...

 

[walnutred]

Such can be made into law with corresponding door to door searches and/or confiscations only once the 2d and 4th admendments are repealed.

Not repealed, reinterpreted and redefined. There has been a strong effort made to change the meaning of words, and in doing so change perceptions and interpretations.

 

[Stophel]

Then, you simply reinterpret the meaning of your oath.

They are going to do whatever they want to do. They may or may not even try to justify it. They care not for what the law is. For those in power, the law is the King speaking.

 

[Glitch]

I agree that there will not be a sudden "no guns allowed" piece of legislation that will come all at once. I think we will unfortunately have some event that will turn the public tide. While that might not be now, with what the young people are being taught in schools these days, I do think it might be within a decade or so.

This may prove true. However, it is also possible that there could be an "event" in which gun owners play a major positive role in controlling the mayhem (looting, etc.) and turn "the public tide" in the other direction. This could be a major natural disaster (a huge California earthquake, for example), a terrorist nuclear detonation on American soil, or a REAL economic collapse. It may be clearly driven home to the sheep that the police and National Guard can't protect them when there is a REALLY big catastrophe. Look how dismally the government performed when there was a relatively puny flood in New Orleans. I don't wish for a disaster to happen, but it is possible that gun owners could find themselves in a position where they can make an obvious positive PUBLIC contribution rather than a hypothetical one (defense against tyranny, etc.). That could provide undeniable evidence of the value of armed citizens and the folly of outlawing guns.

 

[MattB]

I just recently graduated from college, and what I see among my peers scares me. Far too many of them appear to be incapable of understanding that there are actually evil people out there, and that sometimes one might have to defend themselves against evil people. They look on criminals with sympathy and say that they must be victims of society rather than just scum, and think that if someone breaks into my house and threatens me or my family that it should be a criminal act for me to respond with all necessary force in self-defense and the defense of others. They think that it is unnecessary to posess a weapon for self-defense because "you can dial 911". There are far too many wussy idiots in my peer group who think all the world's problems can be solved by smoking a joint and singing "Kumbaya". Hopefully some of them will realize that the world is a bit more complex than their ex-hippie college professors and the political candidates that so enamor them would like them to believe.

 

[SPC]

The current 18-26 generation tend to be a bumbling mass of stupidity and the world seems to be catering to them. I've met complete idiots Master's degrees. If you really want a taste of how screwed we are, work in recruiting for a while. I spent plenty of time as a recruiting assistant and it scared the he!! out of me. I went to BCT with a guy who couldn't figure out which side was the front of an M18 APERS. This generation is most certainly one that will blindly follow 0's asinine, unconstitutional, rambling, bullsh!t 'executive orders'.


PS, I'm going to shoot my fuching TV the next time I see an interview where 0 says 'uh' in between every other word.

 

[rjroberts]

One thing that is often overlooked about WW2 Germany is that approximately 1/3rd of the concentration camps were run by the police. When the war ended, those guys simply went back to their police station and picked up where they left off. Some of you might find that book I mentioned earlier enlightening. The psychological transformation that allows someone to go from an average working stiff, to be willing to help shoot a few hundred unarmed civilians a night, and back to working stiff.

Think about this. Those police who were working for the Nazis became good American/British/French - drones (depending on occupation zone). Also, rewind only 15 years from that point. Those who were working for the Kaiser or the republics became Nazis very quickly when they saw that's where their bread was buttered. Tells you something about the character of people or possibly the mentality of many in that particular profession.

Many of the prior posts are quite correct, especially the incrementalism which undoubtedly take place, cloaked in warm, fuzzy terms for all the best reasons.

The key to the survival of this country is for each person to decide to be free, and then decide what that means, and the methods which one will follow. Remember, too, that truly being a free person is a tremendous responsibility. Do not confuse "liberty" with "license" as I am sure many will, but do be prepared to use extreme measures to protect liberty. Otherwise, lower the flag, now and don't bother yourself further.

 

[SF1973]

It might be easier than any of US can fathom. Between the indoctrination of our youth, and the eroding of the middle class this might be a very different country 20 years from now. Oh...not to mention many modern immigrants refusal to become Americans. We may simply be displaced and/or replaced. In a numbers game we really don't stand a chance on our present course. We saw in the last election what the loss of the WWII generation had on national politics. I fear it may be too late.

I am not as concerned with the government coming for my guns as I am with the slow changes in society which WILL eventually destroy the Constitution in it's entirety.

 

[7.62foryou]

I am not as concerned with the government coming for my guns as I am with the slow changes in society which WILL eventually destroy the Constitution in it's entirety.[/QUOTE]

+1 there, the process is a lot further along than most people realize.

 

[rjroberts]

It might be easier than any of US can fathom. Between the indoctrination of our youth, and the eroding of the middle class this might be a very different country 20 years from now. Oh...not to mention many modern immigrants refusal to become Americans. We may simply be displaced and/or replaced. In a numbers game we really don't stand a chance on our present course. We saw in the last election what the loss of the WWII generation had on national politics. I fear it may be too late.

I am not as concerned with the government coming for my guns as I am with the slow changes in society which WILL eventually destroy the Constitution in it's entirety.

That's easy to see ("different country 20 years from now"). I can say it is a VERY different country than 40 and especially 50 years ago. The "changers" and social engineers will have a much easier time when a lot of us old farts who remember better days are gone. SOmeone who is 20 years old today knows very little different other than some technological toys. Once, Stalin said "Time is on our side." It's true.