Buckey08
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Any reason why this would not work in my Ruger 9mm PC carbine for home defense. Goes through the lights at about 1275ish with a 16in barrel.
Winchester 9mm127 grain +p+ Ranger-t
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sbeatty1983
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should work just fine. Ive used it in my g19 with great results. With reliable expansion from a 4" pistol, I can only imagine it would be even better out of a carbine.
ElectroMotive
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If you are going to use a pistol round, its fine. It meets and exceeds full FBI-FTU and IWBA standards. The irony is if you are getting 1,275fps from that PC-9, thats the same velocity you'll get from a service pistol sized auto(G17, MP9, etc)
After posting I got to thinking that I put up the wrong numbers as far as speed,I need to check again. Seems as if I had read or heard that 9mm Ranger-t 127+p+ should not be used in rifles, might have had a dream about this after a night of sniffing gun oil. At my age even a bad dream is a goooood thing!
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S&W forever
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on the box theres a warning about using them in a pistol only
ElectroMotive
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When I used to carry that round exclusively, I never saw any warnings pertaining to "rifle only". Consider that sub gun ammo is loaded much hotter in Euro-Disney.
I used it in my KelTec Sub-2000 until I shot some rounds into a water trough. The expansion was way too much. Instead of nice petals, the jacket tore bsck all the way to the base of the bullet. This reduced penetration considerably. I went to 147gr Rangers after that, smd have stuck with that round for a good 6 years.
I used it in my KelTec Sub-2000 until I shot some rounds into a water trough. The expansion was way too much. Instead of nice petals, the jacket tore bsck all the way to the base of the bullet. This reduced penetration considerably. I went to 147gr Rangers after that, smd have stuck with that round for a good 6 years.
hannstv
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Out of a 16" barrel you might be too fast for the bullet design. Blow up and not penetrate. Got this one time with some 30-06 rounds, couldn't believe how little penetration. This is the round I keep in a Glock 19, seems to like them.
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38-44HD45
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If that 1275 fps. figure is correct, then the 16" barrel is actually slowing it down some, as happens in .22 lr with barrels over 12-14". Erich has clocked RA9TA at 1400 from his Sigma, and I get over 1300 in a Glock 17. Wouldn't surprise me too much, but seems low. I'd expect more like 1600-1700 from the 16-incher. At that velocity, fragmentation without adequate penetration might be an issue, but maybe not. Silvertips are pretty tough bullets.
you are right, the bbl. is too long for optimum performance with this load and it is slowing down. I get 1300 fps out of my Glock 19. This is a really good load that is very accurate and gives great terminal performance on the coyotes, deer, beaver, possums, armadillos and other critters I have shot with it, much better than other 9 loads I have used. i thought I would just throw that in since someone could say "yeah right but it's just a 9mm and harmless".
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xcop
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127+p+
Keep in mind your Ruger carbine is a blowback action. So it is set to function with standard pressure ammo. It may work fine but a blowback when faced with higher pressure can open up before the pressure has dropped causing the brass to fragment. It's possible you could get a few fragments in your face or eye. I have had this happen to me in shooting +p ammo thru a carbine. I didnt get hit with any brass but fragments of the factory case blew out in every direction. May not happen to you but if using for self defense you may only get one shot off. Also in a house a 16in barrel is going to be much harder to use and much easier for someone to take away from you.
Keep in mind your Ruger carbine is a blowback action. So it is set to function with standard pressure ammo. It may work fine but a blowback when faced with higher pressure can open up before the pressure has dropped causing the brass to fragment. It's possible you could get a few fragments in your face or eye. I have had this happen to me in shooting +p ammo thru a carbine. I didnt get hit with any brass but fragments of the factory case blew out in every direction. May not happen to you but if using for self defense you may only get one shot off. Also in a house a 16in barrel is going to be much harder to use and much easier for someone to take away from you.
ElectroMotive
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16 inch barrel isnt much easier for someone to take away. Not only would practice and training mitigate that, but the fact that there are three points of contact versud 1.5 with a handgun.
xcop
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127
Getting off topic here. Simply the hardest weapons to take from someone are snubs or short semi autos. Simply because there is less for the suspect to grab and leverage. The longer the weapon gets the suspects leverage and ability to take away increases. Also the ability to simply deflect the weapon increases. Think how much more the suspect has to grab vs a handgun. Long guns make excellent home defense weapons in proper calibers, but a 16in barreled 9mm may or may not offer an improvement over a pistol and the length does increase the risk of takeaway or deflection if someone gets hold of it. Since the question was shooting the 127+p+ in a blowback I will stop here.
Getting off topic here. Simply the hardest weapons to take from someone are snubs or short semi autos. Simply because there is less for the suspect to grab and leverage. The longer the weapon gets the suspects leverage and ability to take away increases. Also the ability to simply deflect the weapon increases. Think how much more the suspect has to grab vs a handgun. Long guns make excellent home defense weapons in proper calibers, but a 16in barreled 9mm may or may not offer an improvement over a pistol and the length does increase the risk of takeaway or deflection if someone gets hold of it. Since the question was shooting the 127+p+ in a blowback I will stop here.
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It's kinda one of those deals where the Ruger is kept handy for the ever common coyote that comes in both 2 and 4 legged models. If we have a back door problem we use the Ruger, If the problem is more front doorish we arrive with a Colt, Smith or a Sig which ever the flavor of the day. We try to keep our tools loaded with the load that gives us the best chance of quick win.
ElectroMotive
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I agree that a pitol caliber carbneis lipstick on a pig.
That said 3 points of contact beats 2, everyday. Handguns can be taken away, or deflected easily with a blow to the wrist(s) or arm(s). Longarms can have the takeaway defeated by the use of a sling, and good techniques can mitigate takeaway and deflection. With a longarm, a badguyhas to knock to arms and hands to gain the weapon, and the firing hand is tucked further back and is much more defendable.
Stu Honea
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Buckey,I'd suggest trying out the Win.RA9B in that carbine.
Bonded bullet and should hold together well for you.You'll get enough velocity to make it work well,they are excellant even from a pistol.
The RA9TA (127+P+) has always been a good load and has dropped a lot of bad guys,but the bullet technology has evolved now to the point that you can get just as good performance from pistols without the extra chamber pressures.
I'd wager the RA9B will work well for you as a carbine round.
Bonded bullet and should hold together well for you.You'll get enough velocity to make it work well,they are excellant even from a pistol.
The RA9TA (127+P+) has always been a good load and has dropped a lot of bad guys,but the bullet technology has evolved now to the point that you can get just as good performance from pistols without the extra chamber pressures.
I'd wager the RA9B will work well for you as a carbine round.
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