Woman fatally shoots would-be attacker in Chicago

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It's good the woman was able to defend herself with a legally carried and concealed handgun.

When posted on gun forums, incidents like this almost always end up evoking standard comments about stories with happy endings, the good man (woman) with a gun slogans, the guy getting what he deserved, and so on and so forth. In this case, it'll probably bring out comments about how this happened in spite of Chicago's gun laws, etc., etc.

But sadly, things like this don't really mean anything when arguing 2A issues and gun rights. Because the anti-gunners will come along and throw out fifty examples where guns were used in crimes.

Things like this are a blip on the radar, a point on a graph. Again, yes...it's great the woman was able to defend herself...but this will totally vanish from the news in a day or two, while criminal acts involving use of a gun are still being talked about years after they happened.
 
Things like this are a blip on the radar, a point on a graph. Again, yes...it's great the woman was able to defend herself...but this will totally vanish from the news in a day or two, while criminal acts involving use of a gun are still being talked about years after they happened.


Yes, I agree. But unfortunately it's even worse, as justifiable shootings like this will get lumped into the high number of deaths by "gun violence" each year. :(
 
All's well that ends well, yep. :cool: ;)

Oh, and if the gun were not legal because she weren't allowed to own one because of unConstitutional laws in Chicago couldn't care either.
 
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Nah, Illinois is a "shall issue" state, for the time being. But it always helps to be "connected". ;)

Actually, no need to be connected either. It's a fairly straightforward process and the state issues them fairly quickly, within about 6 weeks or so. It took less than that for my renewal a month ago.

I'm glad this lady was able to defend herself and took a career scumbag (even at age 19) off the street. Too bad that the Cook County State's Attorney Kimesha (Crimesha) Foxx is a SJW instead of doing her job of incarcerating bad guys. This guy should have been in jail instead of walking around preying on good people.
 
Cyntoia Brown also used a gun in self defense as a child, and she's going to leave prison 20 years early after only 15 years. Sometimes things work out, sometimes not.
 
Cyntoia Brown also used a gun in self defense as a child, and she's going to leave prison 20 years early after only 15 years. Sometimes things work out, sometimes not.
I'd never heard of the case. This is wikipedia's summary:
Murder of Johnny Allen

On the night of August 5, 2004, 16-year-old Brown met 43-year-old Johnny Mitchell Allen in the parking lot of a Sonic Drive-In on Murfreesboro Road in Nashville, Tennessee. Allen was a real estate broker and a United States Army veteran.[11] Based on what Brown told investigators, Allen asked her if she was hungry and if she was homeless.[12][13] Brown answered yes to both questions and accepted Allen's offer to take her to his house. Brown and Allen ordered dinner and Allen drove the pair to his home.[14][15] At a later hearing, Brown testified that she agreed to have sex with Allen for US$150, but claimed that they never actually engaged in sexual intercourse.[9][15][16][17] At some point during the encounter Brown shot Allen in the back of the head using her .40-caliber handgun. She then left the house in Allen's Ford F-150 in possession of Allen's wallet, containing US$172,[18] and two of his firearms.[19] Brown left the truck at a Wal-Mart parking lot and flagged down an SUV for a ride home. Police later found Brown and McGlothen at the nearby Intown Suites.[17]
Arrest and trial

Brown was arrested and charged with homicide, especially aggravated robbery, handgun possession and criminal impersonation.[9] Despite being under 18 at the time of the killing, she was tried as an adult. This decision came from Metro Juvenile Court Judge Betty Adams Green on November 14, 2004, who argued that it was too much of a risk to the community to keep the 16-year-old stay in the Juvenile Court System.[20][9]

Brown never denied shooting Allen; however, she argued that the act was committed in self defense,[19] making the act manslaughter rather than homicide.[citation needed]

Brown stated that Allen had intimidated her by repeatedly standing over her while she lay in his bed. As further motivation for the act of self defense, she stated that she believed Allen was reaching for a firearm as the two lay in bed. Thus prompting her to shoot Allen with her own firearm, which she got from her boyfriend for her own protection.[19][15][12][9] Police noted that no gun was found under or near the bed.[9] Based on the position in which Allen's body was discovered, investigators believed that Allen may have been asleep when he was shot. Forensics noted that, postmortem, Allen was laying with his hands underneath his head.[19][15][9] This gives credence to the prosecution's argument that the act was a homicide motivated by Brown's intent to rob Allen.[21] Additionally, Brown admitted to stealing Allen's cash and property and expressed her intention to pawn the stolen rifles.[15][non-primary source needed] Prosecutors took the stance that Brown had not been in danger and that she had murdered Allen in order to steal from him.[22] She was found guilty of first-degree murder, felony murder and aggravated robbery and sentenced to 51-years-to-life in prison.[23][24]
That doesn't sound like self-defense or "by a child" to me.
 
I'd never heard of the case. This is wikipedia's summary:That doesn't sound like self-defense or "by a child" to me.

Is a 16 year old no longer a child when they become sex trafficked? Is it not self defense if you engaged in your duties as a slave? Those questions are why she's getting clemency.


Point is, who you are has a lot to do with whether the police and DA view your actions as violence or defense. Self defense in the wrong neighborhood becomes "gang related" and handled a lot differently.
 
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Is a 16 year old no longer a child when they become sex trafficked? Is it not self defense if you engaged in your duties as a slave?
When you said "child" I was expecting someone a lot younger than 16.

It becomes not-self-defense and tried-as-an-adult when your story doesn't pass the smell test and physical evidence implies you murdered a sleeping man in cold blood for the purpose of robbing him and his home.

Those questions are why she's getting clemency.
Neither the commutation paperwork nor the Governor's press release mention prostitution or sex trafficking. In fact the press release states:
Cyntoia Brown committed, by her own admission, a horrific crime at the age of 16.
and then continues
Yet, imposing a life sentence on a juvenile that would require her to serve at least 51 years before even being eligible for parole consideration is too harsh, especially in light of the extraordinary steps Ms. Brown has taken to rebuild her life. Transformation should be accompanied by hope.
The only thing I'm reading there is a governor who doesn't have the moral conviction and courage needed to keep a murderer in prison.
 
In the video , the bad guy ran away with a purpose. Adrenaline was obviously working overtime, as he later died at the hospital.

Respect to the young lady for properly being licensed and for being on target. The good Lord had said is was not her time to go , but the other guy , was not so fortunate.
 
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WRT these stories I also hope for two things; she did it in self defense and she has a good lawyer. Or "he" when appropriate.
 
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