Would you have said something?

[GKC]

I was in a local gun shop on Friday, shipping a gun I had sold. The owner of the shop and I were chatting about the possible gun legislation, and he mentioned that his gun might be one with illegal magazines if it came to a 10 round capacity limit. He had a FS M&P on his hip, and he pulled it out of the holster, dropped the magazine, and ejected the round from the chamber. He handed the magazine to me to look at (I'm not sure why he ejected the round from the chamber, since he didn't hand me the gun.) It was a FS .357 SIG model, and as such, the magazine held more than 10 rounds. I handed him the magazine back, and he locked the slide back on the gun...put the round he had ejected back into the chamber...and dropped the slide using the slide release, so it slammed shut on the chambered round! Then he reinserted the magazine and holstered his gun.

I started to say something as I watched him insert the round in the chamber...I really thought he wasn't going to do that. I figured he'd stop and say "Whoops! I don't want to do that!" but he didn't.

This shop deals primarily in cowboy action shooting and supplies, but he did have some 1911s and polymer pistols in the case, and he was carrying the M&P. I've always heard that chambering a round and then letting the slide close over it in this manner was bad for the extractor...and I would have thought he would know that.

Would you have said something?

 

[HotRoderX]

tough call really is and it is bad for the extractor best case it weakens it worse case it breaks it. I most likely would have over looked it maybe it was just a accident and he didn't wanna call attention to him self. Also different people have different beliefs in things.

Example I have a friend that will not shoot steel cased ammo. He says it makes his gun run to hot. I have tried explaining to him other wise and he just gets nasty so now I don't say a word.

 

[arjay]

Only if he was an old friend.

 

[Beemerguy53]

He probably does this all the time, and has never experienced any problems, so therefore sees nothing at all wrong with it. And with that being the case, I would have said nothing.

 

[Rastoff]

If the gun had an internal extractor, I would have said something, but not got into an argument over it.

Since it's an external extractor, I see no issue. In fact it could be better because you have less potential for adding setback to the bullet.

For the record, I would not have taken the gun out to show you. Once it goes in the holster it only comes out for three reasons; shoot the bad guy, return it to the safe or use it at the range. Only one of those reasons would ever apply at the gun store and I hope it never happens.

 

[GKC]

He's not an old friend, and this is actually not a gun shop I have frequented regularly. He seems like a very nice man, and very knowledgeable otherwise, from the couple of conversations we have had. (I've only been in there three times.)

I don't have any direct experience with extractor problems caused by loading rounds directly...because I don't do that... what I do know is just what I have learned from reading here and on other forums.

 

[GKC]

Since it's an external extractor, I see no issue. In fact it could be better because you have less potential for adding setback to the bullet.

I thought about the bullet setback issue. In my own case, once a round has been chambered and I eject it unfired for any reason, it doesn't get chambered again...it goes into a box I have set aside for range only ammo.

I've never heard that external extractors don't have the same issue...don't they still have to "bump over" the case head? Or is it because they have more room to flex, being external?

 

[Pisgah]

Unless it is a safety matter, or a matter of the abuse of one of MY guns, I keep my trap shut about the ridiculous, ignorant "advice" I hear and lousy gunhandling I see in gun shops.

 

[MichiganScott]

If the gun had an internal extractor, I would have said something, but not got into an argument over it.

Since it's an external extractor, I see no issue. In fact it could be better because you have less potential for adding setback to the bullet.

For the record, I would not have taken the gun out to show you. Once it goes in the holster it only comes out for three reasons; shoot the bad guy, return it to the safe or use it at the range. Only one of those reasons would ever apply at the gun store and I hope it never happens.

It's only an issue with 1911's because the extractor is designed to work like the one on a Mauser rifle and control the cartridge as it rises up out of the magazine.

I keep my mouth shut in gunshops. Even if the owner is a personal friend, it's his business, not mine.

 

[ken158]

Saying anything is not worth the dialog that will surely follow and if you ever want to get a deal there in the future - he will remember you and not in a good way... go with the flow, you will see lots of stuff when out and about, especially at a public range. (where a safety violation is all that merits a corrective remark)

 

[Arik]

Ive done it both ways on external ejector guns for years. Never had anything break or go bad.

You could always phrase in a question. Like "i heard/read somewhere that that was bad to do" or something like that.

Normally there is so much mis information at gun stores that i just keep quite on other comments unless its something very wrong.

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[MIST]

How others treat their firearms is no concern of mine unless it's a safety violation that effects me directly.

I have said something to LGS range attendants that would conduct a safety check on my pistol prior to range admission and allow the slide to slam forward on an empty chamber.

 

[Tangsoo]

The only response I might have given would be in the form of a question: "That's interesting. Why do you reload that way?" It's non-judgemental and shouldn't cause him to be less inclined to deal with you in the future. Unless someone asks though, like others have said, I find it best to keep my opinion to myself.

 

[Jyezahn]

Once it goes in the holster it only comes out for three reasons; shoot the bad guy, return it to the safe or use it at the range. Only one of those reasons would ever apply at the gun store and I hope it never happens.

Unless the gun store also has a range, like the one I go to.

 

[shawn mccarver]

I was in a local gun shop on Friday, shipping a gun I had sold. The owner of the shop and I were chatting about the possible gun legislation, and he mentioned that his gun might be one with illegal magazines if it came to a 10 round capacity limit. He had a FS M&P on his hip, and he pulled it out of the holster, dropped the magazine, and ejected the round from the chamber. He handed the magazine to me to look at (I'm not sure why he ejected the round from the chamber, since he didn't hand me the gun.) It was a FS .357 SIG model, and as such, the magazine held more than 10 rounds. I handed him the magazine back, and he locked the slide back on the gun...put the round he had ejected back into the chamber...and dropped the slide using the slide release, so it slammed shut on the chambered round! Then he reinserted the magazine and holstered his gun.

I started to say something as I watched him insert the round in the chamber...I really thought he wasn't going to do that. I figured he'd stop and say "Whoops! I don't want to do that!" but he didn't.

This shop deals primarily in cowboy action shooting and supplies, but he did have some 1911s and polymer pistols in the case, and he was carrying the M&P. I've always heard that chambering a round and then letting the slide close over it in this manner was bad for the extractor...and I would have thought he would know that.

Would you have said something?

This "arm chair commando" has obviously watched Lethal Weapon too many times. There is a scene in that movie where Mel Gibson does that with his Beretta 92F.

The difference is that the 92F extractor is made for it and Beretta says so. Other extractors are not made for it, and it can do damage over time. The 1911 extractor is, supposedly, NOT made for it, yet I saw Jeff Cooper do this with his 1911. And, no - I did not say anything!

 

[Rastoff]

I've never heard that external extractors don't have the same issue...don't they still have to "bump over" the case head? Or is it because they have more room to flex, being external?

Yes, it certainly does have to "bump" over the case head. Yes, it is not the preferred method. Yes, it could cause unnecessary wear or even break the extractor. It could also damage the case. If you don't do a chamber check, you might not notice if the slide doesn't go fully into battery. However, there is plenty of movement in the external extractor so it's not a big issue.

It's only an issue with 1911's because the extractor is designed to work like the one on a Mauser rifle and control the cartridge as it rises up out of the magazine.

Yes. The internal extractors on most 1911s aren't hinged. Therefore, to get over the rim it must flex. Do that enough and the extractor will break or become so out of tune that it won't extract properly.

The only response I might have given would be in the form of a question: "That's interesting. Why do you reload that way?" It's non-judgemental and shouldn't cause him to be less inclined to deal with you in the future.

This is very good advice and how I usually operate.

Unless the gun store also has a range, like the one I go to.

Sure, but even there, my gun isn't coming out until I'm on the range, at my lane. I wouldn't handle it in the store.

I'm not condemning anyone who doesn't do what I do. This is just a kind of "fail safe" for me. I want the mind set that if it comes out, I'm doing business.

 

[all357mag]

This practice doesn't harm an external extractor.

 

[Lost Lake]

Well talk about learning something every day!

So you guys are saying that when a round is swept off the magazine, it slides between the extractor and the bolt face and less stress is placed on the extractor?

I did not know that!

 

[Jyezahn]

Well talk about learning something every day!

So you guys are saying that when a round is swept off the magazine, it slides between the extractor and the bolt face and less stress is placed on the extractor?

I did not know that!

Yup, you can see this for yourself if you rack a round slowly.

 

[Lost Lake]

Yup, you can see this for yourself if you rack a round slowly.

I did it and I saw!