WOW....just WOW...

That is exactly the hoped-for result of government-mandated increases in tobacco prices, and I for one am glad to see it.

Tobacco is the only consumer product that, when used as directed, sickens users and shortens their lives. Nobody "needs" tobacco, there is no therapeutic benefit from using it, and it serves no purpose other than to harm those who use it.

WHOA, those are the same arguments the anti-gunners use about us. Tobacco is a recreational drug. Like ALL recreational drugs it is stupid to use it. But users are free to make that choice where the drugs are legal, Stupid, but free. And it should stay that way.
 
I smoke 1-2 cigars a week. Here in NV, my favorites cost about $12.00 each. When we visit friends in CA, the cost of doing business and the taxes raises that 30-50 percent..

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In High School I took an elective Southwest Archeology class. Stepping off the bus at our first dig the teacher handed out pouches of Red Man chewing tobacco and said that real archeologists chewed. I put a wad in, and actually enjoyed it, even though some of my class mates started to turn green.

About a year later, I was dating a gal, and we went to the drive-in in my 68 Ford Fairlaine (bench seat). This car had an indention in the dash where a clock would have gone, and I found that I could place a little brass cuspidor that I bought in Juarez there, secured with some velcro.

She was sitting next to me, and I was chewing and dumping the cuspidor out the window from time to time. Did I mention that she was wearing white jeans and a white silk top? (I think you know where this is going.) As we got ready to leave I neglected to empty my spittoon of its contents, and as we drove over the humpty-hump that little brass container came loose. After being doused, she scooted to the far side of the car, as close to the door as she could get, and didn't utter a word. I was smart enough to take the 5th as well.

It was a long drive from the east side of El Paso to Chaparral, NM where she lived. Stony cold silence throughout. I pulled up to her door, she got out, and didn't even look back as she went in the house. I did call her the next day to offer to pay for the damages, an offer she refused. We never dated again.

Well, you would think that I had learned my lesson, but oh no. I still chewed after that, and was still chewing when I enlisted. During the first smoke break in BCT I pulled out a pouch and inserted a wad. My Drill Sgt came over and told me that if he saw any of "that nasty stuff" on the base that he would make me lick it up. I took the wad out, deposited it and the rest of the bag in the nearest trash can, and told him "I quit". I then looked around and said "Who has a cigarette?" I then smoked for the next three years and kicked the habit while in Korea.
 
WHOA, those are the same arguments the anti-gunners use about us. Tobacco is a recreational drug. Like ALL recreational drugs it is stupid to use it. But users are free to make that choice where the drugs are legal, Stupid, but free. And it should stay that way.

So true, be careful what you wish for. As far as I've seen some people think about firearms is the same way some here think about tobacco use. They use the same logic, they think firearms are not useful, are hazardous to everyone's health, no-one should have them (obviously), and those that do choose (notice the word "choose") to have them should pay boatloads of money up front and get charged extra for any kind of insurance because it's a health risk. A danged down right threat to everyone!

Tobacco can kill you, so can firearms, so..., going off of the "even if it saves just one life" mentality, there you go.

I am a tobacco user BTW, "my body, my choice" eh?

Also agree on the taxes bit. They come up with these "extra" taxes just to pad their own pet projects. Isn't it funny that weed is against federal law but the feds let the states do what they want concerning this? Can't let the states make their own laws concerning firearms though! Tax money, that's the only reason weed is considered "legal" in some states.

(hopefully you can read most of the sarcasm here)
 
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I remember working in the local grocery store and the old ladies would leave their half-filled Campbells soup "dip" cans in the buggy seat, filled with Tuberose and spit. To this day I twinge when picking up a can of soup.
 
Is that R-22 or 410a?

I'm not sure. The compressor/condenser unit is 20 years old, so it's whatever was used in those days. Because it's so old and recharging it wouldn't fix the leak, I've decided to replace that unit as well as in-house blower/evaporator/furnace unit (37 years old) for $12,000. But hey, that includes the Freon, so I'll save a thousand bucks!:rolleyes:
 
Some of you might have heard of Ben Shostle, the engraver. He had a large thriving gun shop in the Muncie, IN area for years with a machine shop and gunsmith on site. That's where I took my S&W 25-2 to have the barrel cut down to 4" and saw it was 4&3/16" when I picked it up. I also saw a set of sambar stag magnas in his glass counter case that have been on the 25-2 ever since that day back in 71 or 72. Ben was a short wiry guy with dark hair and a deep gravely voice, maybe due to his chain smoking. Some folks didn't care for him because of his direct manner and temper but I had several dealings with him and I had no complaints. I used to go to every Indy 1500 gun show until I got to the point that three hours of walking were too much for me. Ben was there at every show with tables of high quality guns. But..his nicotine addiction caught up with him. The last time I ever saw him he was behind his tables sitting on a chair with oxygen tubes in his nostrils looking very sick while his associates dealt with customers. He was maybe early 60s or so age wise. Probably worth a lot of money, but if he had great happy retirement plans his cigs undoubtedly canceled them.
 
If we're going to tax things that are bad for you then have an IRS agent at the supermarket and fast food checkout lines.

Tax those sugary cereals, cookies, soft drinks, white bread, chips, pretzels and anything else that contains added sugars and/or salts into oblivion.

You know what sugar and salt do to your body?

Where does it end as zeke said?
 
They tax tobacco and alcohol because they know people will buy it regardless of the cost . It's guaranteed income .
 
If folks want to smoke, I don't care. It's their money, not mine. They know the risks, it's their body, not mine. If they don't care, why should I?

There's a place in ABQ called the Four Winds Travel Center. It's basically a big gas station that sells not only gas but tobacco and liquor. Usually they are the cheapest gas in the area. It's also an oasis of tribal land in the city so they sell tobacco really cheap. Since I don't smoke, I have no idea what cheap is... You can see people walking out with 3 or 4 cartons.

To me, what's funny is that you tell who the smokers are, even before they buy their tobacco, just by looking at them.
 
Don't you just hate it when the .gov tells you that these taxes or fees will be " dedicated " to this or that , and somehow they never are .

Washington State said all proceedes but the admin costs of our lottery would go to fund education. Then they ammended the law after it was passed.
 
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