X-Frame Carbine

[Colt Commander]

I was watching an episode of TLC’s Life Below Zero.

There was a woman, fairly experienced, carrying a carbine rifle that appeared to be an X-Framed long barrel with a skeleton buttstock attached.

The view of the weapon was briefly so a definite ID was not possible.

From what I could see it looked to be a 10” maybe longer 460 or 500 with a skeleton butt attached.

I scoured google but could find nothing.

Does anyone know of this conversion?

 

[Sevens]

I have not seen this program but there are two serious issues with what you have described. First is that attaching a shoulder stock to a handgun makes it a "short barreled rifle" which is an NFA no-no.

The real ugly problem is that if you shoulder an X-frame revolver in amy way AND THEN stick a support hand out in front of that cylinder, you'll lose fingers. Get near the front end of that cylinder and they will be hamburger.

Maybe it was a Rossi Circuit Judge?

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

I saw that gun. Could have been a prop or fake. I don't believe it was real........You know how those reality shows are.......Whatever feeds the camera.........

 

[Colt Commander]

Good point about holding the barrel as a fore end.
Cylinder blast would cut right through the wrist like a knife.

Possibly a fake. Interesting though.

 

[steelslaver]

Although its not an X frame and it is legal because the barrel is over 16" I have fired this "revolver" in 45 colt many times with nothing but a decent shirt and have never been bothered in the least. Your arm isn't that close to the gap and it is well down and a bit under the bottom portion of frame. Good timing and fit goes a long way also.

 

[amazingflapjack]

I have seen some custom outfit that makes a lever gun in X calibers, which is a better platform for that cartridge IMHO.

 

[sigp220.45]

It's used by Sue Aikens, the lady that runs the air station.

She wiped herself out in a snow machine or ATV accident, and bought it to use with her injured shoulder.

Not sure what caliber. Nothing illegal about it. She shot it in this episode.

 

[Colt Commander]

Thanks.
I kind of like it

 

[cgt4570]

I once burned the fingers of my off hand shooting my K frame .327 from sand bags. Nothing permanent but IT HURT! I've seen flash shields installed on large caliber custom revolving rifles. For what it's worth, I have a project in the works using a K22 that someone installed a 16" barrel on. I found a S&W gas gun shoulder stock that will be going on it. Not much worries about gas cutting or lead spitting on a tight and well timed .22lr.

 

[Nemo288]

I have not seen this program but there are two serious issues with what you have described. First is that attaching a shoulder stock to a handgun makes it a "short barreled rifle" which is an NFA no-no.

You can apply for a license for those (more of an outrageous tax).
I have been thinking of getting one for my Encore so I don't get hassled carrying both 12" and 17" barrels with a shoulder stock.
It's a PITA and the same process you do for a suppressor or certain full auto arms.
This woman should have no trouble arguing it's needed because of a handicap when getting her local authorities to sign off on it.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Although its not an X frame and it is legal because the barrel is over 16" I have fired this "revolver" in 45 colt many times with nothing but a decent shirt and have never been bothered in the least. Your arm isn't that close to the gap and it is well down and a bit under the bottom portion of frame. Good timing and fit goes a long way also.

Very cool but I would say that the cyl gap blast from even a hot 45 Colt is nothing compared to a 460 or 500.

And along these lines, something I don't get is all the hubbub about a "short barreled rifle". What's the big deal?? We can't own anything NFA here in New Yorkistan, Mares Legs are illegal and the whole bit. I think NY has a blanket ban on all things NFA. But what's the big deal about a short barreled rifle in the first place?? Genuinely curious here.

Oh and someone mentioned custom lever guns in 460 and 500. That would be Big Horn Armory. Very cool 1886 based lever guns. Love to have one, but holy cow buku $$$$! One could buy 2 new Winchester 1886s for the price of one Big Horn Armory carbine

 

[colt_saa]

I have not seen this program but there are two serious issues with what you have described. First is that attaching a shoulder stock to a handgun makes it a "short barreled rifle" which is an NFA no-no.

This is an incorrect statement

While the addition of a shoulder stock to a handgun does move it from Title I of the National Firearms Act to Title II, there is NO Federal Law prohibiting Law Abiding Americans from Owning such a firearm.

Now your State or Local laws may impose restrictions that are in excess of those from the US Government

Under FEDERAL Law any American that can legally own a handgun, shotgun or rifle can also legally own a revolver with a stock on it, a machine gun, a bazooka, a 105MM Howitzer or Any Other Arm that they desire.

There are no permits, permissions or licenses required. There is the required payment of a one time tax of $200 ($5 in some cases)

Again, your State or Local laws might impose restriction on these freedoms above and beyond Federal Law

 

[steelslaver]

Lots of odd NFA stuff

Why no small bore smooth barrels? Especially seeing things like the Shockwave get the OK.

Suppressors.

Everyone knows that a criminal bend on robbery and murder won't use them because they are illegal.

Actually most of it was the initial knee jerk reaction to crimes committed with gun.

The world has a history if stupid laws that don't work and governments that pass them and defend them once in place no mater how poor the results. Most of the gun ones are pasted by people who haven't got a clue and rely on misinformation and misconceptions.

On the blast from a barrel cylinder gap. The actual blast force dissipates rapidly as distance increases. The amount of blast at 1/2" is concentrated and substantial, at 6", being a gas, the majority has dissipated. Lead shaving is a hazard because a piece of lead or jacket has mass to retain its velocity and energy. Look at it like a blank, which will kill you at short range, but not at any distance. A light projectile can't retain velocity and has no mass an as velocity halves energy quarters.

Nobody shoots 1000yd matches with a 17 Remington no mater how fast their muzzle velocity is.

 

[sigp220.45]

The gun pictured has a 16” barrel and a shoulder stock, so I don’t think there is anything NFA about it. Its just a rifle.

 

[Colt Commander]

If I’m not mistaken. Once a firearm is designated a handgun or rifle that is what it is.
To change it to the opposite requires the proper forms and tax payments.
It can be done as long as your all legal.
Something like a 16” barreled 500 with a shoulder stock would be as effective as an semi automatic depending on how fast you can pull the trigger.
I like the idea.

 

[serger]

It's legal. Read atf ruling 2011-4. The barrel is over 16".
It's also non NFA.

 

[Dieseltech56]

It also has to have an overall length greater than 26"

I've been doing a lot of reading about SBRs because of the contenders I have. I'd like to get some longer barrels and shoulder them which is totally legal as long as it meets the full requirements of a rifle.

The blast from my 44 mag super blackhawk cylinder gap tore open a bag of lead shot I had been using as a rest. I would be very careful with a high pressure 460 or 500.

 

[drgbike]

Google 460 muzzle blast on you tube. When fired mine moves your pantlegs, and cut my leather front bag in half, blowing sand every where.

 

[steelslaver]

While I agree that the gap blast on a 460/500 would be terrific right beside the gap, one built into a carbine with a fore stock would be ok with a canvas shirt. You don't hold you arm along side the gun, the crook of your elbow moves you arm in this area down under the frame and and considerably away from the gap. Mount any rifle in a normal hold and look where your left arm is. Yes, you could do something stupid and get hurt. But, you can do the same type of stupid putting your hand in the wrong place on a completely stock revolver. Just like any gun there are safety issues you need to address or you'll get hurt.

I only fire mine using a heavy shirt and glasses. Using a stock moves your face considerably closer to the gun than any type of normal hold and you can feel a slight bit on your face. Safety glasses should be part of your equipment in the first place.

 

[Shark Bait]

I'd like to know who built that gun. It looks like really nice work.