Your Thoughts on Refusing to Ship to a C&R Licensee

[mocha001]

I have and 03 ffl,its about 30% 01 ffl who won't do business with a person who has an 03 ffl,the thing that makes me upset is the ones who will not do business with a person in California,but it is their product and they can pick and choose who they do a transaction action with.the good thing is my money spends great with people who are not so picky

 

[chief38]

These days they are looking for ANY excuse to pull FFL licenses - ANY! I guess living in the world we live in now, I can't say I blame him. Maybe you are technically correct, but rules and being right don't always mean anything when the powers that be want to achieve a goal. Times have changed!

 

[Puller]

I've had a C&R for 15 years or so and have run across this same scenario a few times. If they won't honor my 03 FFL then the deal is over and they can just put it back on the market. I've never wanted a gun bad enough to deal with people you can't reason with.

 

[Tyree1867]

Eagle- excellent point on buyer paid insurance. Insurance protects only the shipper/seller. A buyer/receiver cannot file a claim. And in fact, under common law the shipper/seller owns it until it is physically received by the buyer or ffl.

 

[Sistema1927]

When you don't want to do something, one excuse is as good as another.

 

[boykinlp]

Eagle- excellent point on buyer paid insurance. Insurance protects only the shipper/seller. A buyer/receiver cannot file a claim. And in fact, under common law the shipper/seller owns it until it is physically received by the buyer or ffl.

I am glad you posted this. I was wondering how that worked. But, that also brings up another question. If a seller offers to buy insurance, if the buyer pays for it, but the buyer refuses to pay the extra costs, and the gun goes missing during shipping, what happens then?
Larry

 

[Chuck24]

I know some FFLs won't do it because they cannot verify the authenticity of the C&R on the ATF website as you can with other FFLs.

 

[Thiokol]

I know some FFLs won't do it because they cannot verify the authenticity of the C&R on the ATF website as you can with other FFLs.

All they have to do is call their local BATFE office to get it verified.

 

[Thiokol]

I am glad you posted this. I was wondering how that worked. But, that also brings up another question. If a seller offers to buy insurance, if the buyer pays for it, but the buyer refuses to pay the extra costs, and the gun goes missing during shipping, what happens then?
Larry

Liability depends on where ownership of the item passes from the buyer to the seller as determined by the FOB point. Here's a pretty good explanation: What Does FOB (Free on Board) Mean in Shipping? | Freightquote

The same also applies for intra-USA shipments under the Uniform Commercial Code.

 

[2152hq]

I could never see the point of refusing to do business w/an 03FFL.
I had an 01FFL for 50yrs and if an 03 wanted to buy something I had that was fine with me.
Same transaction process as anyone else with an 01FFL. Shipping the same. My bookwork the same.
ATF Compliance checks over those yrs never saw any problem with it in checking my book(s).,,and I averaged 1 compliance check every 3yr license cycle. Sometimes 2.

It's just that some FFL's plainly dislike the idea of an 03FFL. They feel very strongly that they are somehow undercutting a Dealers business.
How that is so, I don't know since the C&R cannot 'deal' in firearms. That's the basic stipulation of the 03FFL.

I saw the 03 as a more simple transaction since it did not require a 4473/Nics check. Just a simple check of ID and exchange of FFL paperwork.
From there my bookwork was the same. Log out to 03FFL.
Same as if I had sold the firearm to an 01FFL.

But many 01FFL's still won't deal with an 03.
That's their position and there they stand.

Do it their way if you want the gun they have bad enough,,or take your business somewhere else.