Recovered 5906 damaged by the police.

[moosedog]

Quote "I can’t believe this post has dragged along this long.
I guess we should all agree to disagree.
The mods should lock this post from continuing."

After you insult the integrity of every man and women in law enforcement, you can't figure why this post is still going?
Thats like saying all Doctors are this, or all Teachers are like this etc. You know it's not true.
Theres good and bad in every profession.

 

[Tinkertech]

Then I guess there's just no way to verify the specific accusation.

Good dodge, and spoken like a true defender of bad cops.

"We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"

 

[Tinkertech]

Quote "I can’t believe this post has dragged along this long.
I guess we should all agree to disagree.
The mods should lock this post from continuing."

After you insult the integrity of every man and women in law enforcement, you can't figure why this post is still going?
Thats like saying all Doctors are this, or all Teachers are like this etc. You know it's not true.
Theres good and bad in every profession.

No one was insulted, only the bad ones were pointed out, which you know is true if your being honest.

 

[biku324]

Good dodge, and spoken like a true defender of bad cops.

"We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"

Not at all. If you described a real incident, there would be documentation.

But not in the movies, I'd guess.

 

[Exchipy]

Federal law. All parties.

So, federal law authorizes the FBI to cause the destruction of recovered stolen firearms under their control, eh? In some kinda important document appear the words: “Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

 

[Phenix]

Property marked as evidence will.not be handled by a "property room attendant"! Evidence is sealed in boxes, envelopes or bags and is only handled by authorized personnel. Signed in and signed out. Once released from "evidence" property is returned to its rightful owner, destroyed or auctioned off. Auctioning of firearms is seldom seen today based on current laws and perceptions.
At times working in the Armory testing firearms (evidence) for the DA I can tell you most firearms were "ridden hard and put away wet" before they became evidence. You won't believe what blood does to firearms. It must resemble salt water!
The only firearms that received any kind of TLC were serviceable firearms on our "approved" list that were not returned. These were inventoried into the Armory and could be checked out by certain authorized individuals like instructors, pistol team or if deputies had there duty weapon taken out of service.

All police departments do not have the same policies on handling of seized property or items of evidence, particularly with guns.
Many rural departments have no written, official policy at all, or at least they didn’t used to a few years ago. I know this from personal experience.

 

[biku324]

All police departments do not have the same policies on handling of seized property or items of evidence, particularly with guns.
Many rural departments have no written, official policy at all, or at least they didn’t used to a few years ago. I know this from personal experience.

20,000 agencies; 20,000 different policies.

 

[Autonomous]

The first problem with crooked cops is they hurt more people, much deeper than a crooked miner or railroader.
Second, the victims, their family, friends and people who have seen video evidence of these abuses then begin to look askance at even the good cops. But, alas, the blue line seems to keep even the good ones silent.

Then we have the guy here barking like a sealion demanding cites and instances of LE violating peoples' rights. In this age of social media and cell phone cameras he needs to be careful what he asks for, I could post examples all day long.

Now, if you come to the conclusion I am anti-cop after reading this, I suggest you are the one with biases.
I am, however, anti-corruption no matter the circumstance.

 

[biku324]

There is a process for dealing with police corruption, both administratively, then criminally. If cops are committing crimes, they should lose their jobs and be prosecuted. If their bosses knew or should have known, they need the same treatment.

I can think of 1) an officer covering for his girlfriend's heroin use, 2) an officer stealing cocaine instead of destroying it, 3) an investigator using his drug evidence, 4) a lieutenant stealing plywood from a semi wreck, 5) a lieutenant shoplifting routinely, 6) an officer stealing vodka for personal consumption, 7) an 'officer of the year' videoed on a car hood having sex with a traffic violator as a part of an informal plea bargain, 8) an officer beating his wife, and dozens of other cases in just the agencies I worked. All felonies and theft or violent misdemeanors were referred for prosecution - some were charged (this is up to prosecutors), some not. All were fired; many were also sued.

Police agencies in America are not 'doing nothing' about corruption in my experience. In other parts of the world you find real hard-core corruption about which no one is doing anything.

 

[Rock185]

OK, Another 2 1/2¢ worth on the subject out of me. I spent about 28 years of my time in LE "out on the street". Some of the firearms we encountered were in poor condition before we ever touched them. Apparently, criminals are not real concerned about maintaining their firearms. I once had a firearm impounded as evidence for about a year and a half after I was involved in a lethal force incident. It was tested in the state crime lab, etc. It was returned to me in the same condition as it had been prior to the incident..

I also worked as an evidence technician in a big city crime lab for a year and a half or so. We often received firearms to process for latent fingerprints. Those usually required use of some chemicals, alternative light sources, etc. to make prints visible to photograph. I admit I don't know if there were negative long term effects of the chemicals we used on a firearm's finish, but I never saw any firearms or other property carelessly or intentionally damaged in the crime lab. And as a person working in the crime lab for a relatively short time, I have to say I was very impressed with the knowledge, skill and dedication of the professionals there....

PS, I am all for officers involved in crimes being prosecuted to the full extent of the law. FWIW, The large department I worked for had, probably still has, a squad of detectives assigned to investigate allegations of crimes committed by officers. I would have never thought it would come to this.......

 

[DHernandez]

So, federal law authorizes the FBI to cause the destruction of recovered stolen firearms under their control, eh? In some kinda important document appear the words: “Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

You may have missed my earlier post…
“Any firearm seized during a federal investigation is going to be destroyed. That’s how it works by law. A stolen firearm might have a chance at return, but not normally. US Gov does not want to be responsible for putting guns back on the street. So if stolen, they let insurance deal with the victim. Many states have the same laws, any seized or surrendered firearms must be destroyed.”
Most stolen guns we recover have already been settled with the victim’s insurance. Your quote doesn’t even apply to firearms seized during a criminal investigation. They aren’t taken and then put in to public use.

 

[Exchipy]

You may have missed my earlier post…
“Any firearm seized during a federal investigation is going to be destroyed. That’s how it works by law. A stolen firearm might have a chance at return, but not normally. US Gov does not want to be responsible for putting guns back on the street. So if stolen, they let insurance deal with the victim. Many states have the same laws, any seized or surrendered firearms must be destroyed.”
Most stolen guns we recover have already been settled with the victim’s insurance. Your quote doesn’t even apply to firearms seized during a criminal investigation. They aren’t taken and then put in to public use.

“Taken” includes destruction, and not “putting guns back on the street,” is a public use, however misguided. The property’s lawful owner is entitled to just compensation if the government thinks it in the public interest to destroy the property rather than return it to its lawful owner.

 

[Randomgunguy]

All police departments do not have the same policies on handling of seized property or items of evidence, particularly with guns.
Many rural departments have no written, official policy at all, or at least they didn’t used to a few years ago. I know this from personal experience.

Im not sure about other states but in Illinois we have state statutes we have to follow that clearly tell us about evidence and property retention and destruction. Regardless of the variance of policy they have to be in line with state laws. If and when an evidence custodian gets sued that'll be one of the guides.

Ill admit property does get damaged on accident but were talking cars usually since they sit in a lot. We paid out for damage when a public works employee accidentally struck a car for seizure that we lost in court and returned. It happens and theres a reason we take photos of expensive items and guns when they first get taken in.

 

[JeffD607]

My house was broken into in 2016 while I was at work during broad daylight. My handgun safe was ripped off the wall and taken. (Never again a handgun safe! my long gun safe, an attempt to break into it failed.) Taken were four firearms. Gwinnett County Police Dept. (Atlanta GA area) responded CSI stuff done, serial numbers given. Every year since I receive correspondence from them keeping my contact info updated. 5 yrs after the breakin I get a call from them telling me that my Glock 34 was recovered by the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) during drug bust/investigation an hour north of me in Jackson County. Saying that I could recover if I wanted. After several phone calls to the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office. I was able to pick up my Glock 34. Attached to it was a laser and two 33 round Glock mags which the deputy asked me if they were mine and I said they are now! He laughed and gave them to me. No telling how many hands that 34 went thru in five yrs. Now if only my pristine Model 36 Chiefs Special, Ruger SR1911 and Security Six would make it back home. Not holding my breath. But you never know. My hats off to Georgia LEO’s.

I don't think I would want them back at that point. How many unsolved homicides, drive-by shootings, robberies, etc. have they been used in? And now YOU are in possession of the gun? Not worth the hassle!

 

[Autonomous]

Impounded vehicles were brought up.
Once your car falls into the clutches of a tow truck operator and/or impound lot it's open season.

 

[djohns6]

I don't think I would want them back at that point. How many unsolved homicides, drive-by shootings, robberies, etc. have they been used in? And now YOU are in possession of the gun? Not worth the hassle!

If my gun was returned to me by LE , with proof , I wouldn't care how it had been used .

 

[Smith391]

Recovered 5906 damaged by the police.​

This thread should have been titled: "Recoverd 5906 returned by police, in damaged condition" because, based on your post, that's all that you really know about what actually happened to your son's pistol...

 

[biku324]

We had to complete 'tow sheets' that described damage and could attach photos. The big deal was a thorough inventory, because if an item isn't on the tow sheet, it doesn't exist - all wrecker drivers are aware of this.

Impounded vehicles were brought up.
Once your car falls into the clutches of a tow truck operator and/or impound lot it's open season.

 

[Autonomous]

Not all tow truck and wrecking yard companies follow this ethic.

 

[biku324]

We kept the local best on our regular rotation - valid complaints about new damage, items missing, or debris from wrecks not cleaned up meant off rotation you went.