armympwjrk
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Looking into buying a 22lr assault rifle look-a-like and im leaning towards the gsg-5 but the m-4 vertions have peaked my intrest how do they stack up per say?
How does the 15-22 compare to the colt m-4 22 carbine or gsg-5?
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I was also questioning the same thing as you. I looked at the Colt M4 22, Sig, GSG-5, and the S&W 15-22. I ended up ordering the S&W after watching lots of videos and reading countless reviews on it. It seems to be very durable and not have too many problems. I also like that most AR 15 stuff fits on it. I have not shot any of them however. I'm just going by word of mouth and internet research.
I own both. I very much enjoy the GSG5 which is an early model, and mine's very accurate. That said, it is more finicky (FTF's) than the M&P and unless you like to and are equipped to "tinker" with the GSG's bolt set-up (tightening screws) and other potentially annoying minor details, the M&P is a much more reliable, trouble-free choice. There's also MUCH more to mod and tons of add-ons for the M&P.
thacheese
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the sig and gsg5 seem nice, but i would avoid the colt, mossberg, and hk
When I was looking into the M4 and the M&P15-22 I was told by 3 different dealers, that you are better off with the 15-22 because the M4 while looking like a regular AR15 doesn't have the same innards so to speak, and that all the skills you learn on the 15-22 will trade up when/if you decide to move over to .223/5.56
The advice paid off too, cause first time I went out shooting with it (first time rifle shooting too). my buddy handed me his LEO, 5.56 and I didnt make an *** of myself =)
The advice paid off too, cause first time I went out shooting with it (first time rifle shooting too). my buddy handed me his LEO, 5.56 and I didnt make an *** of myself =)
tacticaledge
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The sig is a nice weapon, i have two friends with the gsgs they are both having probs i did some home work i really wanted the colt but when i found out that the ar triggers work in th m&p 15-22 meant that it was more tunable and the bolt realease worked on the smith and the take down was simple i was sold and needless to say im one very happy customer. glad i didnt go with brand x bottom line though get what you want and like but i know im very pleased with the m&p
MMA_FAN
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The 15-22 is the best AR-15 trainer you can buy. The others may look more tacticool or shoot a bit more accurate, but as a dedicated AR-15 trainer the 15-22 is the way to go. It field strips just like the AR-15 as far as take down pins and fire control group goes. It also feels like an AR-15 in hand.
If you want a more accurate .22 rifle then my opinion would be to go for a ruger or savage. If you want a more tacticool looking .22 go for the GSG or Sig. But if you want an AR-15 trainer go for the S&W M&P 15-22 you will not be disappointed.
If you want a more accurate .22 rifle then my opinion would be to go for a ruger or savage. If you want a more tacticool looking .22 go for the GSG or Sig. But if you want an AR-15 trainer go for the S&W M&P 15-22 you will not be disappointed.
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15-22 was my choice (and clearly the best AR option), but I've certainly had a lot of fun shooting my dad's GSG too. Initially he had some FTF issues with it, but since I showed him how to carefully load the mags the 15-22 way (i.e. not using the load assist button to drop the rounds in), it's pretty much been flawless with CCI Blazers, and not too bad with Rem Goldens too.
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Brett248Vista
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That's my opinion
Aceman58
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Ditto, stay away from the Colt. The Sig is a nice 22LR rifle, one of my friends has it and it shots well and is well built. I was able to handle the Colt, never got to fire it. But the internals of the Colts are very much like an airsoft rifle in the build department. When I noticed the barrel was not solid but a thin tube, that was it for me. The M&P 15/22 is so solid when compared to the Colt and so very easy to clean and maintain. The Colt requires a major tear down to just clean the bolt. Again just my .02 cent.
Havetahunt
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Before I bought mine I looked into the colt. What sold me on the 15-22 was the last shot hold open.
JaPes
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The Colt M4 .22lr & HK 416 22lr are made by Umarex. Colt licensed it's good name to an airgun company.
A year ago, I wanted a dedicated .22lr AR platform. I had no idea what I was looking at. The salesman handed me a Colt M4 Ops and a M&P 15-22. The Colt felt reassuringly heavy. It looked the part. It had the Colt logo. I chose it over the M&P 15-22.
I shot it. Having no basis for comparison I thought it was ok. I found it odd that the manual stated that removing the bolt was not necessary. I found it even more odd that there was no easy way to remove the bolt for cleaning.
To separate the Colt upper from the lower, the instruction says to loosen the flash suppressor. I loosened it, and started to push a brush through. Remember the bolt doesn't come out, so cleaning from the breech is not possible. Pushing a rod through was annoying. Even touch the bolt, and it released, slamming into the brush.
I pushed, and all of a sudden the barrel dislocated from the receiver. The flash suppressor unscrewed from the barrel.
The tension provided from the tightened down flash hider is the only thing that holds the barrel in place. I'm mechanically inclined. I figured I'd fully disassemble it and fix it.
These pictures were taken after I wiped off the amazing amount of .22lr crud that built up in the action and on the bolt. Hosing it down with Gun Scrubber, as suggested in the manual, never really got it clean.
Looks good on the outside.
This is what's on the inside.
Barrel dislocation.
Action.
The guts of the upper & action.
Scary isn't it? A pretty shroud over a pencil barrel, and a chintzy action. This is the "quality" of the Umarex product. On top of all of this:
I couldn't sell or trade this thing off and keep a clear conscious. A friend of mine, who is unemployed, wanted it. I gave him full disclosure, and gave it to him.
A few weeks later I bought the one I should have bought in the first place, a S&W M&P 15-22.
A year ago, I wanted a dedicated .22lr AR platform. I had no idea what I was looking at. The salesman handed me a Colt M4 Ops and a M&P 15-22. The Colt felt reassuringly heavy. It looked the part. It had the Colt logo. I chose it over the M&P 15-22.
I shot it. Having no basis for comparison I thought it was ok. I found it odd that the manual stated that removing the bolt was not necessary. I found it even more odd that there was no easy way to remove the bolt for cleaning.
To separate the Colt upper from the lower, the instruction says to loosen the flash suppressor. I loosened it, and started to push a brush through. Remember the bolt doesn't come out, so cleaning from the breech is not possible. Pushing a rod through was annoying. Even touch the bolt, and it released, slamming into the brush.
I pushed, and all of a sudden the barrel dislocated from the receiver. The flash suppressor unscrewed from the barrel.
The tension provided from the tightened down flash hider is the only thing that holds the barrel in place. I'm mechanically inclined. I figured I'd fully disassemble it and fix it.
These pictures were taken after I wiped off the amazing amount of .22lr crud that built up in the action and on the bolt. Hosing it down with Gun Scrubber, as suggested in the manual, never really got it clean.
Looks good on the outside.
This is what's on the inside.
Barrel dislocation.
Action.
The guts of the upper & action.
Scary isn't it? A pretty shroud over a pencil barrel, and a chintzy action. This is the "quality" of the Umarex product. On top of all of this:
- No last shot hold open.
- Pistol grip is proprietary & not standard AR.
- Butt stock is proprietary & not standard AR.
- Trigger is proprietary & not standard AR.
- The forward assist is just for looks.
- The dust cover is always open, it never holds closed.
I couldn't sell or trade this thing off and keep a clear conscious. A friend of mine, who is unemployed, wanted it. I gave him full disclosure, and gave it to him.
A few weeks later I bought the one I should have bought in the first place, a S&W M&P 15-22.
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WarpedWheel
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Glad to see that information in pictures. I had read lots about those issues before making my mind up on the M&P.
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I had a gsg 5, it was fun but inferior to the 15-22 IMO. The gsg is a clamshell design and a real pain to take down to clean. The barrel is pencil thin under the shroud. It had more FTF than I expected. Always felt loose, even with tight loctited screws.
A lot of people are happy with their gsg's and I did have fun with it. The 15-22 is just a better design and I recommend it.
A lot of people are happy with their gsg's and I did have fun with it. The 15-22 is just a better design and I recommend it.
The Colt M4 .22lr & HK 416 22lr are made by Umarex. Colt licensed it's good name to an airgun company.
A year ago, I wanted a dedicated .22lr AR platform. I had no idea what I was looking at. The salesman handed me a Colt M4 Ops and a M&P 15-22. The Colt felt reassuringly heavy. It looked the part. It had the Colt logo. I chose it over the M&P 15-22.
I shot it. Having no basis for comparison I thought it was ok. I found it odd that the manual stated that removing the bolt was not necessary. I found it even more odd that there was no easy way to remove the bolt for cleaning.
To separate the Colt upper from the lower, the instruction says to loosen the flash suppressor. I loosened it, and started to push a brush through. Remember the bolt doesn't come out, so cleaning from the breech is not possible. Pushing a rod through was annoying. Even touch the bolt, and it released, slamming into the brush.
I pushed, and all of a sudden the barrel dislocated from the receiver. The flash suppressor unscrewed from the barrel.
The tension provided from the tightened down flash hider is the only thing that holds the barrel in place. I'm mechanically inclined. I figured I'd fully disassemble it and fix it.
These pictures were taken after I wiped off the amazing amount of .22lr crud that built up in the action and on the bolt. Hosing it down with Gun Scrubber, as suggested in the manual, never really got it clean.
Looks good on the outside.
This is what's on the inside.
Barrel dislocation.
Action.
The guts of the upper & action.
Scary isn't it? A pretty shroud over a pencil barrel, and a chintzy action. This is the "quality" of the Umarex product. On top of all of this:
- No last shot hold open.
- Pistol grip is proprietary & not standard AR.
- Butt stock is proprietary & not standard AR.
- Trigger is proprietary & not standard AR.
- The forward assist is just for looks.
- The dust cover is always open, it never holds closed.
I couldn't sell or trade this thing off and keep a clear conscious. A friend of mine, who is unemployed, wanted it. I gave him full disclosure, and gave it to him.
A few weeks later I bought the one I should have bought in the first place, a S&W M&P 15-22.
That looks like a ****ing nightmare. Thanks for sharing
For some reason, people place the polymer receivers as a major turn off and go with something with more heft and go for something like that. Bad move, in my opinion.
That looks like a ****ing nightmare. Thanks for sharing
For some reason, people place the polymer receivers as a major turn off and go with something with more heft and go for something like that. Bad move, in my opinion.
You know I cant figure that one out, why the hell would you want a heavier weapon?
Maybe its just me, but I like having a lightweight weapon!
Aceman58
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Some folks think heavier means more expensive, it doesn't.. it's an old thought.. With the metals of today, you can have both, and we do. You just have to pay more for the lighter parts.
Again a heavy rifle is only a problem if you are a soldier, since you will be hauling that sucker everywhere and everyplace 24/7. LEO have much shorter carry time, civilians even less.. Also recoil is less with a heavier weapon. But this can be address with compensators and heavy buffers.. Know what you want and build and carry what fits those needs and with the technology we have today, anything is possible ...............with the right amounts of bills. Keepem in the X ring.
Again a heavy rifle is only a problem if you are a soldier, since you will be hauling that sucker everywhere and everyplace 24/7. LEO have much shorter carry time, civilians even less.. Also recoil is less with a heavier weapon. But this can be address with compensators and heavy buffers.. Know what you want and build and carry what fits those needs and with the technology we have today, anything is possible ...............with the right amounts of bills. Keepem in the X ring.
Morning Brian
People have all kinds of reasons for wanting a heavier weapon.
In my case I want my cheap practice 22 AR/M-4's to be as close to the weight of my real AR/M-4's as possible.
No sense in practicing with a light weight 22 AR clone only to pick up the real thing & have the feel so different that the practice with the light weight 22 actually hurt the ability to accurately hold & shoot a real AR/M-4.
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armympwjrk
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wow ok yall got me sold on the 15-22 now how ever @Brett248vista, what model is that? (It has the front sights and m-4 style front like i want.) Thank yall so much for all the info and quick response
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