President to Close Gun Show LoopHole

fordson · Apr 11, 2024

Biden administration announces plans to expand firearms background checks

FYI……The intent may be worthy but as usual, the execution will probably be flawed……if not abused, as it probably will be……...write your Congressman and complain is about all we can do at this point……
This is just nonsense……and I’m tired of it…..

Bald1 · Apr 11, 2024

The problem with wanting everyone to become a dealer is not everyone qualifies. Could be as simple as zoning or an HOA rule.

ladder13 · Apr 11, 2024

I thought only Congress could ”close the gun show loophole”, heard that for many years.

How is a BGC done on someone recently given the ok to buy guns we know nothing about?

TheTinMan · Apr 11, 2024

“The new federal rules will not create new law but will expand the definition of licensed firearms dealers.”

This is precisely how government regulators make new law while claiming that is not what they are doing.

Ever wonder how the IRS turned “innocent until proven guilty” inside out? They simply said “these are the new rules.”

johngalt · Apr 11, 2024

1) There is no gunshow loophole.

2) There is nothing worthy about the executive usurping the power of the legislature

SnidelyWhiplash · Apr 11, 2024

God forbid the government...federal...state...local...actually make laws that affect criminals rather than law-abiding citizens. But...that's too difficult. It's easy abusing the rights of the law-abiding.

glenwolde · Apr 11, 2024

ladder13 said:
I thought only Congress could ”close the gun show loophole”, heard that for many years.

How is a BGC done on someone recently given the ok to buy guns we know nothing about?

Only Congress can authorize "Universal Background Checks". Closing "The Gun show Loophole" doesn't really stop private sales, just some abuses of the system. Mostly it's grandstanding.

These new rules are going to be fairly easy to monitor through online activity. Frequent gunbroker listings? You're a dealer.

Unintended consequences: gunbroker loses some business. These shadow dealers could, ironically, go to more gun shows as the online advertising is too visible.

Sell only at gun shows, only take cash, don't pay for advertising.

Telecaster · Apr 11, 2024

So, a guy buys a gun at a gun show without a background check (because he would fail it), then goes out and commits armed robbery. What happens to him under this new "rule" that wouldn't happen now? From what I've read, the prosecutors tend to ignore the dozens of laws they break and only prosecute the easy ones like armed robbery.

It's just a feel-good proposal so they look like they've "done something"

TheTinMan · Apr 11, 2024

Telecaster said:
So, a guy buys a gun at a gun show without a background check (because he would fail it), then goes out and commits armed robbery. What happens to him under this new "rule" that wouldn't happen now? From what I've read, the prosecutors tend to ignore the dozens of laws they break and only prosecute the easy ones like armed robbery.

It's just a feel-good proposal so they look like they've "done something"

This is one more step toward a mandatory national gun registry. That is the real goal of “universal background checks.” The fact that 90% or more of incidents where someone FAILS a Form 4473 and there is ZERO law enforcement follow up should tell you where the priorities are.

A recent example is that murderous psycho in Lewiston, Maine. He had failed a Form 4473 application shortly before his shooting spree because he admitted that he’d been involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness. Apparently law enforcement did nothing.

zeke · Apr 11, 2024

TheTinMan said:
“The new federal rules will not create new law but will expand the definition of licensed firearms dealers.”

This is precisely how government regulators make new law while claiming that is not what they are doing.

Ever wonder how the IRS turned “innocent until proven guilty” inside out? They simply said “these are the new rules.”

Expanding the definition is changing the definition, which is officially changing the law. One of the main reasons the "Brace" change got suspended.

Yet another election ploy of deliberately breaking the law so the response can be used in an election. They should be sued for others expense of defeating their deliberate breaking of the law, then charged with something.

WCCPHD · Apr 11, 2024

Background checks are worthless for keeping guns away from criminals.

The last time I "ran the data" the US Government prosecutes less than 1/10 of one percent of those that lie on a 4473 and are denied the ability to buy a gun. AND the most important thing is that almost all of those prosecutions are just add on charges when the person is charged with other offenses.

One more attempt at criminalizing honest people while turning a blind eye toward criminals.

Telecaster · Apr 11, 2024

They can't even keep track of illegal aliens; they'll never keep track of guns under a "gun registry." Not that I'm ok with them trying, quite the opposite.

moosedog · Apr 11, 2024

The slow. erosion of a once great representative republic continues and over half of the country still votes it in. Very sad, but historical times we live in.

jeffrefrig · Apr 11, 2024

I always thought you had to get a BGC at gun shows all along. It's been a long time since I've been to one. Was PA different than other states? IDK

gwpercle · Apr 11, 2024

There is no gun show loop hole ... at least in Louisiana .
If you sell 3 or more firearms a year you need a dealer FFL
If you are a FFL you do background checks on all sales ... no matter where the sale occurs ... even at gun shows .
I have bought several at gun shows and every one had a back ground check done ...

So ... where / what is this Loop Hole ... I don't understand ???

Gary

LVSteve · Apr 11, 2024

Telecaster said:
So, a guy buys a gun at a gun show without a background check (because he would fail it), then goes out and commits armed robbery. What happens to him under this new "rule" that wouldn't happen now? From what I've read, the prosecutors tend to ignore the dozens of laws they break and only prosecute the easy ones like armed robbery.

It's just a feel-good proposal so they look like they've "done something"

"Do-something-itis", the modern plague of the Western world.

edwardyoung · Apr 11, 2024

It’s an election year

old tanker · Apr 11, 2024

They want to be seen as doing something. And they want make an example of SOMEBODY, while they are doing it.

Maybe somebody high profile, like the Executive Director of the Little Rock Airport?

glenwolde · Apr 11, 2024

TheTinMan said:
This is one more step toward a mandatory national gun registry. That is the real goal of “universal background checks.” The fact that 90% or more of incidents where someone FAILS a Form 4473 and there is ZERO law enforcement follow up should tell you where the priorities are.

A recent example is that murderous psycho in Lewiston, Maine. He had failed a Form 4473 application shortly before his shooting spree because he admitted that he’d been involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness. Apparently law enforcement did nothing.

He didn't break any law. If he had lied about his mental illness on the form they could have done something. Not they would have anyway but still...can't arrest a guy for telling the truth on a form.

Jebus35745 · Apr 11, 2024

Actually your mental health is confidential, you can lie on the form and a background check wouldn’t bring it up. Only your criminal record comes up.

A lot of criminals are armed through straw purchases or however they get the gun. So background checks don’t work. They purposely ignore the real cause and let the law breakers go free daily till they commit a violent crime. This whole situation gets me angry what they get away with, Larry

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