is Federal Hydra-shock a +P ammo?
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the new HST is king of the hill now.....................
Try it in the 125 or 147 flavors.
Try it in the 125 or 147 flavors.
Thanks Men,
358156hp, I do not want a +P but read elsewhere in this forum that when they first came out they were listed as such. The post said that they just not longer listed it as a +P, just looking for comments like the one your provided.
Thanks again.
358156hp, I do not want a +P but read elsewhere in this forum that when they first came out they were listed as such. The post said that they just not longer listed it as a +P, just looking for comments like the one your provided.
Thanks again.
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Why the HydraShok when there are much better alternatives out there? Just curious.
Good luck! It seems the best defense loading in 9mm ammo is what ever ammo or bullets and powder are on the shelves. I made the mistake of Accidentally shooting the last magazine of hollow points I had the other day.
Now my defense loads are FMJ's.
Now my defense loads are FMJ's.Arik
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If its +p it will say so on the box.
The HXT is light years better performer then the old hydra shocks. They were good in their day but bullet technology has come a long way since then
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The HXT is light years better performer then the old hydra shocks. They were good in their day but bullet technology has come a long way since then
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chipking
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Arik is correct if it is +P it will say so on the box. In the past Federal offered both +P and non +P loadings in several calibers using the same bullet type and weight but the +P NEVER magically or otherwise became non +P. That would only occur if the SAAMI spec for a round were changed which is nothing a manufacturer can control.
ps Use Bing or Google and type in your caliber and SAAMI spec in the search function and read away to gain more insight into any caliber.
also go to Ballistics 101 | All the ballistic charts. Finally, in one place for a list of makers and loads with ballistic info for most calibers
Chip King
ps Use Bing or Google and type in your caliber and SAAMI spec in the search function and read away to gain more insight into any caliber.
also go to Ballistics 101 | All the ballistic charts. Finally, in one place for a list of makers and loads with ballistic info for most calibers
Chip King
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aGirl&HerGun
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Thank you, chipking, for the link.......I have been going to each ammo manufacturer's website, for ballistic information of .38 Special defensive rounds that interest me. This is just great and much easier!
Thank you, chipking, for the link.......I have been going to each ammo manufacturer's website, for ballistic information of .38 Special defensive rounds that interest me. This is just great and much easier!
I was a bit confused by your original post, and didn't fully understand what you were asking. Thanks for the clarification. I believe that the lead used in Hydrashoks now days may be softer than it was in the old days, and that it might now be possible to push the bullet too fast. +P velocities are a double-edged sword, they can make a harder bullet perform better, or they could possibly cause a softer bullet to expand too quickly, causing penetration to suffer. I'm guessing that Federal is doing a balancing act to get the best possible performance from their design. I'm not a big fan of "trick" bullets, but as long as it's a proven design, I don't see anything wrong with them. This is all conjecture, but it appears to me that this may be what we're seeing.
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The best clarification is to look up your specific load on Federal's web site. It will clearly say if it is +P or not.
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At most, you'll experience heavier recoil with the heavier bullet. Just run a few mags through before you decide to stick with it.
When I was deciding what to use, I bought several boxes. Hydra shoks, Gold dots, PDX1, PDX1 +P, HST, and Golden Saber's. I used feeding issues to narrow it down, then accuracy to narrow it down further, and ballistics to decide what my choice would be. I ended up with PDX1 +P 147gr.
Zjnovak;
Did you by chance do a clothing/gel type test with that bullet, by chance ?
Guy on you tube did 4G test on the Winchester bullets
and it was an eye opener.
Did you by chance do a clothing/gel type test with that bullet, by chance ?
Guy on you tube did 4G test on the Winchester bullets
and it was an eye opener.
Looking for more education. All this can be confusing to a rookie like me.
115
124
147
standard
+P
+P+
So many choices, are the +P and +P+ cartridges carrying more powder in order to achieve the higher pressure?
Do the +P loads have a higher FPS rating?
Does S&W recommend the +P versions?
Thanks in advance.
P.S. I am looking at Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 9mm 124 +P.
115
124
147
standard
+P
+P+
So many choices, are the +P and +P+ cartridges carrying more powder in order to achieve the higher pressure?
Do the +P loads have a higher FPS rating?
Does S&W recommend the +P versions?
Thanks in advance.
P.S. I am looking at Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 9mm 124 +P.
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So after weeks of study, debate and consulting with some friends of mine who carry and have much more knowledge I made my fist defensive ammo purchase.
Hornaday 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX® Critical Defense®
Thoughts?
Hornaday 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX® Critical Defense®
Thoughts?
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Badkarma 1
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The top loads seem to be Winchester 147gr. Ranger-T, Federal 147gr. HST, and the Speer 124gr. Gold Dot+P. Tge last one resides in all my 9mms at present, BUT if I run across any of the HST I will change over to it! There is a +P version of the HST, but I haven't heard much on it.
Any if the above will do the job. Dale
Any if the above will do the job. Dale
There's a whole lot of fact and opinion floating about on ammo selection, along with a large amount of male bovine excrement.
The standard pressure, +P, +P+ can be summarized as follows: some US ammunition specs were based upon old powders in old guns of old materials. In some calibers, +P loads recognize that modern weapons can safely utilize higher pressure ammunition and that ammunition is so loaded. +P+ labels originated as a way to get magnum performance (to be used in magnum pistols) in a .38 Special headstamp to minimze the threat of lawsuits. It extended to 9mm in recognition of different pressure standards between the US and europe. HOWEVER: there are no standards for +P+ so very few manufacturers will warrant their products with it's use. Given modern developments in bullet design there isn't a good reason to use +P+ ammo.
Real briefly, there really isn't much difference between the modern JHP products of major manufacturers. Use what you can find in good quantities. Where you put the bullet is far more important than exactly what brand/design of the bullet.
The standard pressure, +P, +P+ can be summarized as follows: some US ammunition specs were based upon old powders in old guns of old materials. In some calibers, +P loads recognize that modern weapons can safely utilize higher pressure ammunition and that ammunition is so loaded. +P+ labels originated as a way to get magnum performance (to be used in magnum pistols) in a .38 Special headstamp to minimze the threat of lawsuits. It extended to 9mm in recognition of different pressure standards between the US and europe. HOWEVER: there are no standards for +P+ so very few manufacturers will warrant their products with it's use. Given modern developments in bullet design there isn't a good reason to use +P+ ammo.
Real briefly, there really isn't much difference between the modern JHP products of major manufacturers. Use what you can find in good quantities. Where you put the bullet is far more important than exactly what brand/design of the bullet.
