Brand New Bodyguard 2.0 Review

[Captains1911]

No. As I stated it was right out of the box.

I read the manual prior to using the +P. You’re right, I am not concerned about the 20rds of +p. I don’t plan on using +p ammo on a regular basis.
I guess I’m not a rule follower. Y'all are funny with all your +p comments.

You can’t brag about careless unsafe behavior on an internet gun forum and not expect to be called out for it. Hopefully no innocent people get injured in the event that your firearm explodes in your hands.

 

[J33PTJ]

You can’t brag about careless unsafe behavior on an internet gun forum and not expect to be called out for it. Hopefully no innocent people get injured in the event that your firearm explodes in your hands.

So dramatic... I wasn't bragging. I was giving my experience with different types of ammo just to mention that the extreme defender would not feed. BTW, It ran that +P like a sewing machine

 

[agksimon]

So dramatic... I wasn't bragging. I was giving my experience with different types of ammo just to mention that the extreme defender would not feed. BTW, It ran that +P like a sewing machine

The Bodyguard 2.0 has the thinnest centerfire barrel I've ever seen on a gun. It's a risk.

 

[dsk]

Like Beju said there is no SAAMI spec for +P .380 ammunition. Companies like Underwood and Buffalo Bore are simply winging it and making up their own so-called "+P" loads, which may or may not even be safe to shoot depending on what gun you're using.

 

[DeepPenetration]

Currently at +/- 800 rounds thru my BG2.

I shot 2” low and 2” left at 7 yards and I had a very hard time finding the front sight (not especially bright). I installed new XS night sights; centered them by eye. I didn’t even have to adjust them at the range. At 7 yards now it shoots one big hole at the center of my target.

My factory RSA never stopped the pistol from shooting, however the end of the recoil wasn’t seated properly. Problem solved with Galloway OEM strength RSA. I put 200 rounds thru it with the Galloway spring and she ran like a top.

I have had no problems with Underwood plus-p loads. I ran 50 of each Xtreme Defender and Xtreme Penetrators thru mine with zero issue.

Cheers!

 

[agksimon]

I have had no problems with Underwood plus-p loads. I ran 50 of each Xtreme Defender and Xtreme Penetrators thru mine with zero issue.
Cheers!

Even though I'm not ready to trust my life to Underwood Xtreme Defense or Penetrators, I figure out how to make them run dependably. Load the mags with two high flutes downward to hit the feed ramp that way.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Geezzz... there's no way I'm going to risk my life with a defense round that I have to perform foreplay before it will love my gun.

 

[Harper]

With the rear sight removed in anticipation of installing the XS sights tomorrow, I notice that the striker is not in a plastic sleeve as other M&Ps are. The striker is metal and does not ride in a sleeve of any sort. The striker spring is in a plastic sleeve. Leads me to believe that perhaps I should use a very light application of a lube of some sort, since the striker moves metal on metal. Of course S&W doesn't mention any lube for the striker in it's instructions. When I removed the striker, it was a little oily, but that could have leaked in there when I sprayed the rear sight with some PB Blaster the day before removing it. Anyone care to offer an opinion?

In the picture you can see that the metal is already showing what appears to be wear points at both ends of the firing pin carrier.

 

[agksimon]

With the rear sight removed in anticipation of installing the XS sights tomorrow, I notice that the striker is not in a plastic sleeve as other M&Ps are. The striker is metal and does not ride in a sleeve of any sort. The striker spring is in a plastic sleeve. Leads me to believe that perhaps I should use a very light application of a lube of some sort, since the striker moves metal on metal. Of course S&W doesn't mention any lube for the striker in it's instructions. When I removed the striker, it was a little oily, but that could have leaked in there when I sprayed the rear sight with some PB Blaster the day before removing it. Anyone care to offer an opinion?

In the picture you can see that the metal is already showing what appears to be wear points at both ends of the firing pin carrier.

Most gun manufacturers recommend running the striker dry.

 

[bjig]

Did you field strip and clean and lube it before firing it?

According to S&W the BG2 is not rated for +P ammo.

You are obviously not concerned about potential damage to the chamber, barrel, and other parts of the gun caused by the higher PSI pressures beyond the more common PSI rating of 35,000 for 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge.

I'm new to this forum and fairly new to shooting (except for my old m16 days). I've been browsing this site and the info here is great. So thanks to all you guys for that. I just bought a BG2.0. Can I ask what +P ammo is? I'm not looking to ruin my new gun or my shooting hand.

 

[dben002]

I'm new to this forum and fairly new to shooting (except for my old m16 days). I've been browsing this site and the info here is great. So thanks to all you guys for that. I just bought a BG2.0. Can I ask what +P ammo is? I'm not looking to ruin my new gun or my shooting hand.

Overpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to produce a higher internal pressure when fired than is standard for ammunition of its caliber, but less than the pressures generated by a proof round.

 

[Beju]

With the rear sight removed in anticipation of installing the XS sights tomorrow, I notice that the striker is not in a plastic sleeve as other M&Ps are. The striker is metal and does not ride in a sleeve of any sort. The striker spring is in a plastic sleeve. Leads me to believe that perhaps I should use a very light application of a lube of some sort, since the striker moves metal on metal. Of course S&W doesn't mention any lube for the striker in it's instructions. When I removed the striker, it was a little oily, but that could have leaked in there when I sprayed the rear sight with some PB Blaster the day before removing it. Anyone care to offer an opinion?

In the picture you can see that the metal is already showing what appears to be wear points at both ends of the firing pin carrier.

Seems a bit risky if it's not directly advised by S&W.

The majority of non-limp-wrist malfunctions that I see occur in Glocks are due to contamination of the firing pin channel with cleaning solvents and/or lubricants attracting carbon fouling, dirt, and or/lint.

I suspect that the striker carrier isn't as hard of a material as the nitrided slide, and probably has a replacement interval (even if most BG 2.0 owners will never shoot enough to hit that interval).

 

[Harper]

Most gun manufacturers recommend running the striker dry.

Of course they do! But in virtually every other striker fired pistol, the striker runs in a slick plastic (Delrin?) sleeve requiring no lube.

But not the BG2. Thus my post.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Of course they do! But in virtually every other striker fired pistol, the striker runs in a slick plastic (Delrin?) sleeve requiring no lube.

But not the BG2. Thus my post.

So... if I discover one of my firearms has a striker that is in a Delrin sleeve, do I clean it with just a mild cleaner, or would Lucas Oil 10905 Extreme Duty Gun Cleaner be OK?

 

[Harper]

So... if I discover one of my firearms has a striker that is in a Delrin sleeve, do I clean it with just a mild cleaner, or would Lucas Oil 10905 Extreme Duty Gun Cleaner be OK?

So... have you read the Lucas Oil 10905 Extreme Duty Gun Cleaner label?

Then why do you ask?

I was pondering a light application of a lube on a clean metal striker in no sleeve of any sort riding in a metal channel. This is different than my other 3 M&Ps, all of which have strikers running inside polymer sleeves.

 

[Brian Parrish]

First- physical fitness
Second- the dynamics of interpersonal violence
Third- skill development consistent with the first two
Then- tools and equipment consistent with your skill set

We talk about tools all the time and debate all the minutiae of guns and calibers because it is easy to do. Expansion, under-penetration, over-penetration, blah blah blah. Fine with me.

The intensity of emotions in these debates recognizes the seriousness of the larger issue involved but betrays an error in thinking, namely, that there is an equipment solution to the problems.

What we are seeing with the low recoil 380ACP Federal Hydra-Shok is that it is penetrating and expanding beautifully in FBI gelatin testing. This is precisely because it is low recoil, which isn't that low, but it is low enough to "control expansion" to reach the magical 12" minimum that the community has set for YouTube ballistic testing entertainment.

Same story with the 380ACP Hornady Critical Defense, the one with the polymer plug. Works great from the Glock 42 and Ruger LCP. However, from a longer barrel, faster, too rapid expansion.

The Lehigh Defense bullets under consideration sound like a great gimmick if it is a gimmick. Anything that keeps ammo companies profitable is good for the second amendment community. We must protect the gun makers and ammo makers and holster makers and shooting schools from attack by the left!

I say gimmick because while I normally agree with Mas Ayoob, this one I do not understand. He has a video called, "Is the 380 Good Enough for Self-Defense" the gist of which is yes as long as you use these Underwoods.

I cannot see how these rounds will not yaw, especially in a Bodyguard 2.0.

I cannot understand the preoccupation people have with a "wound channel" in clear ballistic gelatin. Certainly the flutes make a very pretty disruption pattern for the cameras. Great TV for sure, but in a fight does that make a difference really?

If you want it to tumble then you don't need those flutes on the nose.

Please correct me anyone. I am not the expert!
Good thread Thanks.

Kind Regards!
BrianD

 

[geeollie]

You are bringing up good points. Not really sure you need corrected.

I think that the Lehigh X bullets do often yaw. Is this OK? Is this bad?

I will watch the above mentioned video. I saw one where Mr. Ayoob whom I have met and respect.....but sometimes disagree with, and Mr. Wilson disagreed if Lehigh will work in many handguns. I tend toward thinking they will work simply because Mr. Wilson says so. I like Mr. Wilson.

I would enjoy knowing the science of Clear Ballistic gel better. Does it need a certain temp? How many times can it be reused? Does it have any correlation at all with FBI recipe organic gelatin?

I wish I could remember all the other points I was planning to make so I will quit.

 

[joeb427]

I love the 2.0 so much that even though it's 380, it's becoming my primary carry.

 

[GnarlsR2]

... The intensity of emotions in these debates...

Along with the passion and emotions, there is ignorance and apathy. Many gun owners are just plain uneducated, and some are simply apathetic about knowing the science.

Everyone has their own idea of what they need to know about a firearm, ammo, and self-defense.

Nearly all of the self-identified experts on YouTube, for example, that attempt to demonstrate their knowledge about a specific subject, rarely present the facts. Most of it is anecdotal Bravo Sierra.

There are a few who have a grasp of ballistics and actually show the “measurements” in comparisons. Others have lots of experience and have their opinions, valid or not. How many testing comparison demonstrations have you viewed state that the gelatin they are using is fresh out of refrigeration and is 39d F?

Some experts use profanity in every other sentence to convey the intensity of their “knowledge”. Some use all kinds of silly video tricks, music, and stupid sounding commentary.

Of my 14 range buddies, I would bet a 6-pack of their favorite beverage that none of them know or have ever viewed the Brass Fetcher Ballistic Testing. Yet all of them are highly experienced gun owners (retired military or presently involved in high security) and I’d trust any one of them with my life in a gun fight.

Since what I know about guns and ammo wouldn't make a pimple on Massad Ayoob's butt, if the FBI, with their incredible level of testing, has chosen Hornady Critical Defense FTX, Hornady HST, Sig V-Crown, and Speer Gold Dot, that’s good enough for me.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

I’ll try to keep this short. I have not had any success with any hollow point or soft core round nose or flat point ammo from any .380 when tested against barriers that a 9mm duty-type round will sail right through. (I did test shots to verify that.) Because the OP asked about the Hydra Shok Deep, this is what I got from that round plus multiple other rounds such as Critical Defense, Gold Dot, Blazer, WWB, Hornady XTP, Golden Saber, Low Recoil Hydra Shok, etc.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCDWnNxgf9g[/ame]

The only round that really works for me across multiple platforms is the Underwood standard pressure 68 grain XD.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCDWnNxgf9g[/ame]

Please note that the Lehigh branded version of the XD is way underpowered compared to the Underwood version and would not function in my Glock 42 or Sig P365-380. The chrono results of the Lehigh branded ammo were much slower. The Bodyguard 2.0 has a shorter barrel than the Glock or the Sig and still posted a muzzle velocity with the Underwood 100 FPS faster than the Lehigh round ran through the Sig.

As far as some other comments in this thread are concerned, see if you can tell which entrance holes were from the XD rounds.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgc6KdMY/S-W-BG-2-0-XS-Sights-3-X5.jpg

Some posts are giving me pause on the XD rounds. I have not had any feeding problems with either my handloads or Underwood branded standard pressure rounds. I will put another hundred or so through the gun just to confirm.

I doubt I would carry this gun if I can't carry Underwood XD rounds. I would rather carry my Glock 42 instead.

YMMV