Who's got the best .223 price?

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SGAammo usally has better prices, but TargetSports has free shipping. However, the shipping that SGAammo charges is not excessive.

The Armory is a great source for Wolf Gold. You can get 1000 in a used ammo can for $309 + shipping. It used to be $300 shipped.

I also like SG ammo. These days you really have to shop around multiple sources when you are ready to buy because the market fluctuates 10 to 20% based on a lot of factors.

CoMF said:

Midway is selling 420-count cans of IMI M193 ball for $184.99 before shipping with a two can limit.

At 44 cents per round, it's certainly not the cheapest, but it's worlds better than anything you'll get from Wolf.

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Wolf Gold is brass cased and made in Tiwan.

Wolf is not a Russian company. It's an American company that buys ammo from Russia, Germany, Tiwan and others. All sold under the one name....Wolf

Wolf is a trademark of Sporting Supplies International based in California.

IMI is also sold under the name Independence
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Well, if the Taiwanese Wolf Gold actually fragments like M193, I would agree it's a stellar deal.

I've read less than flattering reviews of earlier incarnations of it on arfcom that were substantiated with photos, is all. (Rebranded Prvi Partizan, maybe? It has been a while.)

IMI has also been sold under the Winchester name as product Q3131A.

Just speaking for myself, but Winchester is my first choice followed by Lake City.

Arik said:

Wolf Gold is brass cased and made in Tiwan.

Wolf is not a Russian company. It's an American company that buys ammo from Russia, Germany, Tiwan and others. All sold under the one name....Wolf

Wolf is a trademark of Sporting Supplies International based in California.

IMI is also sold under the name Independence
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Is the bullet steel core, instead of lead?

TAC said:

Is the bullet steel core, instead of lead?

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Nope. It's lead FMJ. It's not made in Russia and Wolf is not Russian. Steel case wolf ammo comes from the Tula plant (TulaAmmo). When they order Russian ammo from Russia they get steel case with bimetal bullet.

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CoMF said:

Well, if the Taiwanese Wolf Gold actually fragments like M193, I would agree it's a stellar deal.

I've read less than flattering reviews of earlier incarnations of it on arfcom that were substantiated with photos, is all. (Rebranded Prvi Partizan, maybe? It has been a while.)

IMI has also been sold under the Winchester name as product Q3131A.

Just speaking for myself, but Winchester is my first choice followed by Lake City.

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Yes. A while back Wolf Gold was made by PPU

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Bottom left under the bar code. "MADE IN TIWAN"



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Arik said:

Nope. It's lead FMJ. It's not made in Russia and Wolf is not Russian. Steel case wolf ammo comes from the Tula plant (TulaAmmo). When they order Russian ammo from Russia they get steel case with bimetal bullet.

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If the bullets will attract to a magnet, numerous indoor ranges in S.E. Michigan, will not allow you to shoot it. I also have read from reputable sorces, they cause excessive wear on barrels.

TAC said:

If the bullets will attract to a magnet, numerous indoor ranges in S.E. Michigan, will not allow you to shoot it. I also have read from reputable sorces, they cause excessive wear on barrels.

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They do IF you shoot your AR like a machine gun. Do 10k rounds in a day and you'll get excessive wear. The typical 100 rounds in an hour will of course have wear but you're not going to see a difference. That being said....THIS IS NOT BIMETAL. It's standard lead core, brass case fmj made in TIWAN.

Wolf rebrands other ammo. They are not a manufacturer

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CoMF said:

Well, if the Taiwanese Wolf Gold actually fragments like M193, I would agree it's a stellar deal.

I've read less than flattering reviews of earlier incarnations of it on arfcom that were substantiated with photos, is all. (Rebranded Prvi Partizan, maybe? It has been a while.)

IMI has also been sold under the Winchester name as product Q3131A.

Just speaking for myself, but Winchester is my first choice followed by Lake City.

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Your info is old and when you are punching paper who cares if the bullet fragments like M193. Even if you remove that and look at the price you are quoting for IMI its not a good price.

AE M193 is often on sale for $6-$7 a box I just bought AE XM855 for $.34 a pop in the mini ammo cans shipped in larger plastic ammo box.

$.44 for IMI is not a deal. That is what Cabela's sells it at everyday. They have been known to drop it to as low a $6.99 per 20. Last time SGammo had it they were selling it for $379 for 1200 rounds. Again I am not knocking IMI it is decent ammo but at $.44 your are getting ripped off. IMHO

BTW, I went to bullets.com to see what they had, saw some reman .38 spcl at a good price, ordered 10 boxes, hit checkout and was told it could not be shipped to CA. Called them and the customer service person could not tell me why it could not be shipped except if there is a prohibition in one county then they will not ship to the whole state. To my knowledge the only prohibition at this time in CA (could be different on Jan 1)is no hollow points in the City of San Francisco. Unfortunate that the People's Rebulic of CA has been able to intimidate businesses in other states. Another blow to freedom.

WVSig said:

Your info is old and when you are punching paper who cares if the bullet fragments like M193.

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I don't purchase M193 "just for plinking." There's the difference.

"Dated" info is relevant if still holds true. In this case, Wolf switched their Gold line to Taiwanese surplus and I conceded as much. Unless it's actual M193 spec, though, I have no interest in it. I'm a pragmatist; I practice with what I intend to carry when it's viable to do so. We're talking about M193 ball as opposed to $1+/per round "barrier blind" ammo, so it makes sense.

I also like to stick with what's tried and true (i.e. it can be reasonably expected to fragment within a certain velocity envelope), even if that means I'm not necessarily getting a "bargain." If I can get Q3131(A) or XM193 for 35 cents per round or less on sale, all the better. 44 cents per round isn't a great buy by any stretch, but it's not approaching highway robbery either. (44 cents times 20 is $8.80 before tax, which is not much higher than the $7/box benchmark.)

In any event, buy what you want guy; it's your money.

There is range/general use ammo and there is self defense ammo. Quality self defense ammo is 100 fold better than 193 or 855.

Gold Dots
IMI razor core BTHP SMK
Winchester Ranger
Australian BTHP SMK
Federal Tactical Bonded
Hornady

Yes they are expensive but they work much better.

Training with what you use is good but you really don't see a huge difference in recoil or accuracy (unless all you do is bench). I've never heard of anyone constantly training with HP handgun ammo


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Arik said:

There is range/general use ammo and there is self defense ammo.

Yes they are expensive but they work much better.

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Against windshields and car doors, yes. Against soft targets, as long as the velocity is within the proper envelope, M193 works just fine. Even through clothing.

I'm not worried about terminal performance through the intermediate barriers found in an automobile.

RA556B is great, until it gunks up your feed ramps in extended firing sessions with those soft noses.

Stay safe.

CoMF said:

I don't purchase M193 "just for plinking." There's the difference.

"Dated" info is relevant if still holds true. In this case, Wolf switched their Gold line to Taiwanese surplus and I conceded as much. Unless it's actual M193 spec, though, I have no interest in it. I'm a pragmatist; I practice with what I intend to carry when it's viable to do so. We're talking about M193 ball as opposed to $1+/per round "barrier blind" ammo, so it makes sense.

I also like to stick with what's tried and true (i.e. it can be reasonably expected to fragment within a certain velocity envelope), even if that means I'm not necessarily getting a "bargain." If I can get Q3131(A) or XM193 for 35 cents per round or less on sale, all the better. 44 cents per round isn't a great buy by any stretch, but it's not approaching highway robbery either. (44 cents times 20 is $8.80 before tax, which is not much higher than the $7/box benchmark.)

In any event, buy what you want guy; it's your money.

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So you really weren't interested in answering the OPs question you were only interested in telling people what ammo you use. I mean that is ok but it really does not answer the question does it?

The question was:

I'm looking to stock up on some .223 ammo, 1000 to 2000 rounds. Who's got the best prices, including shipping?

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Everyone else seems to have understood the question and answered it. Wolf Gold is the most consistent brass cased ammo in the $.30 range. It is within 50 fps of XM193. Shoot 200 rounds and then shoot 200 XM193 and the recoil profile will not be any different. It IMHO will be more accurate than most XM193. Other people offered up other ammo in the $.30 to $.35 delivered range.

Your info is dated and inaccurate. At least you admitted that but what you fail to concede is the Wolf Gold is the current answer, assuming brass cased, to the OPs question.

As I stated before fragmentation on paper is not necessary. If I cannot tell the difference in recoil impulse between Wolf Gold and XM193 then why do I need to plink with more expensive XM193?

That is why I and others suggested Wolf Gold but you still protest even when your answer to what is best priced ammo shipped for 1000 or 2000. Your answer was $.44 IMI which is about $.10 more than one should be paying for XM193. Seems like a poor answer to the OPs question. Especially considering many shooters find that Wolf Gold is more consistently loaded and more accurate than XM193. If you are just shooting minute of man at under 100 yards in the end just about anything is accurate enough.

Now I am not disputing your use of XM193 or that it isn't decent ammo. I have about 2500 rounds of if currently. Last time out at the range I shot about 300 rounds of IMI. I have more and when it is price properly I will get more. Its not about how I spend my money or how you spend yours its about answering the question of what is the best price for 223/556, assuming brass cased ammo that is accurate and consistent, delivered.

Is your answer still $.44 IMI?

I threw an option out there. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's your money and your choice.

Why are we arguing, again?

CoMF said:

I threw an option out there. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's your money and your choice.

Why are we arguing, again?

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We are not arguing we are discussing.

I've been buying cases of Fiocchi 55 gr. FMJ from a nearby
LGS that carries case quantities of most major handgun and
rifle calibers. It is just over 300 bucks per 1000.
I'm good with that and it shoots well in my AR's
Good clean ammo.

Chuck

WVSig said:

We are not arguing we are discussing.

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Good, because arguments are what get threads locked and I'd hate to see that.