Federal 38 Special FBI Load

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Did I get duped? A lot of the internet photos and vids show the Federal brand FBI Load with a clear "(+P)" on the box. According to the website from where I ordered a couple of boxes, what I ordered was rated at 890 fps, same as the Remington LSWCHP (+P). The boxes of Federal I got is white with black letters but does not say "(+P)" anywhere on it, nor does it state the rated velocity on the package. And the Federal website doesn't even show that they carry such a product.

Did they change the packaging, or is it like a Buffalo Bore deal- with +P velocities but standard rating?
 
Federal "38G" is/was Federal's version of that load. The "commercial" offerings in the blue/grey box were marked "+P" as were the cases.
 
Check the crimp. I read on the Net that some 38G got out that wasn't crimped and the bullets work their way forward under recoil.

I think you need to call Federal and describe just what you have.

Properly made 38G has been very accurate in my guns over the years.

I couldn't find any Plus P lead HP locally, and my son brought me some Remington ammo of this type. I'm a little suspicious of all Remington products now, but it looks okay.
Haven't fired any yet.
 
Federal's packaging is sometimes inconsistent. My department issued Federal for training and carry in multiple calibers. I carried .45 ACP. The duty load the last few years was the 230 grain Tactical Bonded Plus-P, their catalog number LE45T1. Most of the time, the box's end label was printed with (+P) with a velocity, energy and trajectory graph on the back but sometimes there was no +P marking on the end label but a white, stick-on label on the back, one batch had neither. Yet always the same catalog number. The headstamp always had +P marked.

I think with the increase in demand and production over the last few years, their packaging providers haven't been able to keep up
 
Federal 38 Special Ammo 158 Grain Lead Semi-Wadcutter


I think this is what I got...my own fault. Same velocity rating as the +P, but less muzzle energy, but these are OBVIOUSLY not HPs now that I am taking the time to look closely at it...I know that is the price I paid, though. The +Ps are out of stock and $2 more. Oh well, they'll still go bang.
 
I bought some of that 38G a couple of years ago at a reduced price. It had no crimp. I set my seating die up to make a nice firm roll crimp, and ran them all through it. I put them back in the trays and boxes and have a case of good +P ammo in reserve............
 
I just confirmed that I have the 38C- standard pressure LSWC with no hollow point. Still should be good target ammo.
 
Yes that 38C is very good ammo, just standard pressure like 158gr rnl, only with a much better shaped bullet.
 
"Better" in that the flat face and sharp shoulder of a SWC bullet cuts a very nice and clean round hole in a paper target compared to the jagged hole the RNL makes, and that it seems to be a better stopper of live targets, for hunting and/or self defense.

RNL bullets are "better" than SWC in that they slip into the cylinders more smoothly without sharp edges to catch on the chamber edges, especially with a speedloader.
 
My guess is that, for 98% of the handgun rounds most of us shoot, it doesn't make any difference what the bullet shape is, as it is only going to poke holes in paper targets and cardboard target backers.
 
LSWC is a much better shaped bullet than RNL?

The shoulder on a LSWC tends to hand up on the chambers when you're reloading in a hurry with a speed loader.

Now...that varies a bit with different LSWCs as some have much more pronounced shoulders than others, but RN, RNFP, RNSP, and hollow points with RNFP profiles are all faster and easier to align with the chambered when it comes to a reload with a speed loader.
 
Check the crimp. I read on the Net that some 38G got out that wasn't crimped and the bullets work their way forward under recoil.

^^^^what he said. I purchased 14 boxes several years ago from a dealer unloading unsold inventory. I had crimp jump in my aluminum frame Js, but not in steel Js or Ks. It's mostly gone now, but I would not use it for CC.

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I just confirmed that I have the 38C- standard pressure LSWC with no hollow point. Still should be good target ammo.

Ideal for small game, too.

The poster who doesn't realize why we have SWC bullets badly needs to read Elmer Keith's, "Sixguns." Get the revised 1961 ed.

That is the basis for all persons wanting to know about handguns, and one is seriously impaired if he hasn't studied it. The other basic book I recommend is Geoffrey Boothroyd's "The Handgun." You can find it for a lot less than the Keith book, and its scope is much wider. But the Keith book has more on ammo, bullet shapes, etc. and on shooting techniques. Don't drop the latter book on a bare toe. You'll feel it! It's big and heavy. And very, very useful!

Both are dated, but are the basis, and that doesn't change. You can read more on modern auto pistols, current ammo, etc. elsewhere.

But a man who doesn't even know why a SWC bullet is better than a RN for most purposes is just... well, handicapped is the polite way to put it.

If the ammo box in question here is the one pictured, I don't understand why it was hard to tell what's in it. The endflap is pretty clear about that, especially if you look up what 38C means. It's a very good field load for small animals and better for defense than a RN bullet. Lead bullets do create a possible additional need to clean the barrel often. Don't let lead deposits build up. Reloaders avoid this to a large extent by using harder cast bullets. Factory lead bullets tend to be softer swaged ones. But this is in, "Sixguns." Go read it if you haven't!
 
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"Better" in that the flat face and sharp shoulder of a SWC bullet cuts a very nice and clean round hole in a paper target compared to the jagged hole the RNL makes, and that it seems to be a better stopper of live targets, for hunting and/or self defense.

RNL bullets are "better" than SWC in that they slip into the cylinders more smoothly without sharp edges to catch on the chamber edges, especially with a speedloader.

Actually RNL makes a slightly larger permanent cavity but penetrates slightly less than LSWC (assuming same weight and velocity of course, soft tissue or ordnance gel).
 
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I don't think you got duped.
To say you were "duped" suggests some sort of trickery by the seller.

The velocity was disclosed at time of sale.

+P .38 special should do better than 890 fps - which is what you bought.

There was no trickery by the seller here.
You may have bought - by your own poorly-informed choice - a product different that what you really wanted.
 
If the ammo box in question here is the one pictured, I don't understand why it was hard to tell what's in it. The endflap is pretty clear about that, especially if you look up what 38C means. It's a very good field load for small animals and better for defense than a RN bullet. Lead bullets do create a possible additional need to clean the barrel often. Don't let lead deposits build up. Reloaders avoid this to a large extent by using harder cast bullets. Factory lead bullets tend to be softer swaged ones. But this is in, "Sixguns." Go read it if you haven't!

Because the website advertises 890 FPS- the same as Remington's FBI Load (and NOW, I see Federal's), so I assumed it was one and the same, not to mention the black and white box looks similar to the +P variant. Look at some Buffalo Bore- higher velocities but still rated standard pressure. I thought that maybe Federal might have done the same thing here. And, if I didn't know that much, how would I possibly know what 38C means?

As noted, Federal's site is terrible, and I found no indication that either was still in production.
 
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