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Never heard of that, but that's an awesome idea.
shotgun cartridges for beginner?
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Never heard of that, but that's an awesome idea.
Rem. once loaded a 7/8 oz, 12 ga. and IIRC the speed was 1390 FPS but with my M21 Win., 30 in Mod. barrel they checked 1480 FPS. It was a black hull and several people called them black nasties. They would kick your eye teeth out. Many people don't realize that it takes less powder and shot to really reduce recoil. Larry
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The first place I'd look is at your local Walmart for target loads. I'd shy away from the Winchester universals unless it's all they have. My Walmart has a pretty good supply of target loads but not much else.
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With a pump action 12 gauge, unless you single load there is only so much you can do to reduce recoil. Even a factory 2 3/4" "light target load" will kick fairly hard. Perhaps if she is able to rent a single or double barrel break-open gun and find 12 ga "minishells" that would work.
Of course, if she wants a carry gun you can try something smaller.
Of course, if she wants a carry gun you can try something smaller.
It does not get any lighter than this for practice...........
if you can find them.
if you can find them.
Recoil comes with payload and fps. (8 lb gun )
3 Dram 1 1/8 oz 1200 fps.......... 20.3 ft/lbs of recoil
2 3/4 ............... 1145 fps ........ 18.1
1 oz ................... 1180 ............ 16.0 (Ladys)
7/8 oz ................ 1160 ............ 12.4 X-Lite
I have not shot the light 980 load over my chrony to get any data.
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For years I have recommended the Win. Low noise-Low recoil 980 FPS load for kids and beginners. I would like too know what the ft/lbs of recoil is for it. I know it's not much recoil and it will break anything on the skeet field. Larry
tops;
I did not proff read my post.... I hade to add one worrd.......... "not" to it.
Sorry.
However the 980fps load should be around 8 ft/lbs of recoil and the info on recoil has stated that a Lady can handle 17 ft/lbs for a shoot .
I know that the teenagers at the trap club have no problems with my 7/8 oz.
at 1160 loaded with e3 or red dot, when I let them test it in a 12 Ga. shotgun.
Just understand that this light load is for close work and shots past 35-40 yards will add to missed targets, by most shooters.
I did not proff read my post.... I hade to add one worrd.......... "not" to it.
Sorry.
However the 980fps load should be around 8 ft/lbs of recoil and the info on recoil has stated that a Lady can handle 17 ft/lbs for a shoot .
I know that the teenagers at the trap club have no problems with my 7/8 oz.
at 1160 loaded with e3 or red dot, when I let them test it in a 12 Ga. shotgun.
Just understand that this light load is for close work and shots past 35-40 yards will add to missed targets, by most shooters.
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The best ammo for a beginner is Winchester, Federal or Remington light skeet & trap loads in # 7.5 or #8 shot (1 - 1 1/8 oz). They are low brass, promo ammo and are actually pretty cheap. They are also available in the big box stores from time to time for about $6 - $7 bucks a box of 25. They are very mild, low recoil and should do the trick for a beginner without breaking the bank.
You don't mention what type of 12 gauge you own, but I find the Auto Loading models to be the softest recoiling while the Pumps to be the hardest.
You don't mention what type of 12 gauge you own, but I find the Auto Loading models to be the softest recoiling while the Pumps to be the hardest.
I assumed "not" was left out. When my grandson was starting shooting I loaded him 7/8 oz., CB0178-12 wad and 14.8 Red Dot. It worked good on the skeet field. My brother and I have shot a carload of 7/8 oz. and Red Dot with a little more Red Dot than what I used for grandson. I also sawed the stock off of a M686 Beretta so it would be short enough for grandson. Larry
In the Rem STS hull with a w209 my 7/8 load starts out with
a Waa12L wad and e3 powder at 14 grs........
just in case you have the makings.
a Waa12L wad and e3 powder at 14 grs........
just in case you have the makings.
The type of action will make a big difference in recoil. My Rem 1100 makes 12 ga. feel like a 20 ga.
Get your daughter a gas operated semi auto, and recoil will feel like half that of the same load fired out of an 870.
Get your daughter a gas operated semi auto, and recoil will feel like half that of the same load fired out of an 870.
Your 12 gauge 870 is fine. I agree with all the rest about the "sporting" or promo loads available at most stores. I have several boxes of 1 ounce of 7 1/2's or 8's that are fine for shooting doves or small birds normally recoil less that the same load in most 20 gauge guns.
True;
a gas or spring recoil operating ststem will cut down on the felt recoild over.........
all the other "Closed Actions" that many of us have to shoot.
A custom SxS or O/U with all the gold inlay and engraving does little to stop recoil, only add on's will help reduce the felt recoil from most of these "Stock" shotguns, from heavy loads.
The "Trick" is to use only the fastes and heaviest payload needed to do the job, for a more enjoyable outing.
Small 9;s have lots of pellets in a load but a #8 has more energy and you may pick up breaks, instead of a dusting.
I use a lot of 7 1/2's, even though less pellets, they reach out a lot farther to get breaks in long shots.
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Any low base 7, 7.5, 8 shot target loads in any given gauge is a good place to start. Availability won't be great but should be much better than handgun or rifle ammo.
