Can’t really put 40 S&W in that category. Way more pistols in 40 than the other two combined. If I remember correctly the 40 was “fad” for about 20 years.

The frontal area of a 30 super carry is 0.076 inches.

The frontal area of a 9mm is 0.099 inches.

The 9 is 30% bigger.

I think size matters.

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This might be interesting if it were possible to fit 6 rounds in a S&W j frame or Charter Arms Undercover. If law enforcement agencies get interested in it for back-up or duty handguns, it might take off.

The 30 SC will be the future carry option for many people(not me however).

Smaller guns for concealed carry are the trend.
And a caliber that can send 100 to 115 grain bullets at speeds approaching 9mm performance will be very popular.
The slimmer case dimensions make the capacity of a 30 SC pistol comparable to a midsize 9mm.

You'll be seeing a lot of these guns in future years along with the ammo to go with them.

What's next . . . 25 Super Carry?

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.45ACP is white wine, 9mm is red wine, .40S&W is rose' for those who can't decide on white or red. Is .30 Super Carry grape juice?

Exactly
The 40 definitely wasn’t a fad and will remain a mainstream cartridge - a lot of it back on store shelves. The market is too big to abandon it. It will be interesting to see how long the new 30 SC survives.

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Naaaa, the 32 Super Carry is next... Actually, that might be interesting or maybe NOT! hehehe

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Since I heard about it at SHOT, I wondered why they didn’t call it the 32 SC.

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I think they didn't call it a 32 for the same reasons Federal named their revolver cartridge the 327 Federal instead of the Federal 32 Magnum.

When people hear 32 they think of weak, old and obsolete cartridges that are not a good choice for self defense. Using 30 SC avoids the stigma of 32.

Calling it a 30 helps it stand out from the crowd of other cartridges with 32 in their name. You don't see much 32 ammo on store shelves but if they had called it a 32 SC it would have blended in with 32 ACP, S&W, S&W Long and H&R magnum.

It also reduces the chance of someone going to a store and walking out with the wrong ammo.

There is a marketing guy somewhere whose job depends on the 30 super carry making a big splash… too bad.

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Probably. People want a tic tac sized gun, with 20+1 capacity for some reason these days.

It's a weird trend.

Power doesn't matter. Tons of people carry the 380 nowadays.

Here ya go ! The new cartridge that will revolutionize self defense and make everything else obsolete ! The .25 Super Carry ! Based on the 38S&W case necked down to 25 caliber pushing a 35 grain bullet at 5,280 FPS from an 18 shot revolver 30% smaller than a 'J' frame with an internal gyro-stabilizer that reduces recoil to .22LR levels using a proprietary new powder developed by Blammo laboratories in conjunction with NASA . The suppressor is SMALLER than the gun ! Rumor has it the LAPD has already ordered theirs ! Get in early before the demand outstrips the supply !


Not available in NYC or Massachusetts.

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A .380 is always on me during daily hiking, biking or fishing. If it was any heavier or bigger it wouldn't be. With today's ammo and eight rounds on tap, feel no less armed then when I carried a J-Frame.

The trend will continue to lighter and smaller as more and more folks EDC who have never owned handguns, much less EDC. Their not looking to reload, or dive into ballistics, they are just looking for personal protection.

I had a chance to handle 2 .30SC Shield EZs today. They had the absolute worst triggers I have experienced on S&W auto since...ever. One was heavy and gritty, the other less gritty, but much heavier. Not what I'd expect in a gun marketed to people with limited hand strength. They had one box of Federal HSTs for $31.95. I wasn't tempted.

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Ya'll can have it.....Just another GIMMICK cartridge to generate sales. Doesn't do anything better than the 146 handgun cartridges we already have.

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Currently, there is a lot of hype for the "new" 30 super carry. More powerful than a .380ACP, but less than a 9mm. OK. So, who needs it? Is this another hype? ala Hallmark creating another holiday to sell cards? Do you really need another bucket of brass or reloading dies? I am not an expert shooter, and believe there are enough "as good, if not better" bullets in existence right now.

I really like the .327 FedMag out of the 6" GP100 as far as shooting comfortably. I'm not sure of the weight that's above the 100 gr, maybe 115, but that's where you start to feel some very manageable kick. From the 2# 13 oz. "tank," really a blast, but the scarce supply of ammo on shelves is a bummer. I cannot find any .38 spl. let alone .327. Bad timing for the .30 SC. I'd give it a try, but won't buy that gun. I just get out to shoot every once or twice a month so no justification for reload candidate either. I like revolvers better but I'm old-fashioned that way. How's that Ruger 57 coming along? (I'm actually serious with the question.) That .327 FM has been out for some years now but I know a couple people that never heard of it. In better times I could see the .30SC getting some air under its wings, but these are not exactly good times. Covid is pretty much leveled off but now this Ukraine thing is another sink hole in the road. Too bad. The man did his best in AR Magazine to talk it up and I believe he was pretty honest. Just the wrong timing for a new cartridge. Will it take down a grizzly? Sorry; I couldn't resist!
I really hope it takes off only because that means ammo is for sale again.

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This, I think, is going to be the answer:

Time will tell.

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I think the 30SC was designed to primarily be a backup to the 45GAP.

A high velocity mouse gun is still a mouse gun. A 30 SC Magnum, as well as the .327 Federal, would be fun to shoot. But, as a defensive weapon, too small bore. So a 30 SC, not magnum, for 'carry' is silly. Even if magnum, it would be silly.

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Any time you choose a new caliber that you do not already shoot, whether rifle, handgun, or shotgun, will require a new gun, so this is a decidedly specious argument. Very often it is the desire for a gun that we do not already own is the driving force behind purchase of one in a caliber not already owned.

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They already have a lot of .22 Super Carry guns, don't need a .25.

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DOA…more than enough cartridges already available.

Interesting discussion. I did not see the 30 Luger mentioned anywhere. I have one and always liked it. Fun to shoot, a lot of penetration and wicked on ground hogs with hollow points.
However it would not allow for more rounds in the magazine or cylinder as it is a bottle necked 9mm. It is super easy to reload because of the neck.

I would like to see a 25 magnum. It would give you centerfire reliability with just a bit more penetration than a 22 LR. I think that would make a great vest pocket pistol.

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Good ideas, Heinz. All could be fun to shoot.

Just not suitable for self defense.

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I'm reminded of Tiger McKee showing Tom Gresham how to use a .380 pistol for self defense shooting. He showed him how to shoot over his shoulder as he ran away.

Mousegun Tactics | An Official Journal Of The NRA

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For all of you trying to beat this caliber to death before it has had a chance, GIVE IT A REST!!! If it doesn't sell then it doesn't and the market will take care of it. And, BTW, based on published performance figures the .30 S.C. isn't a mouse gun just because it is a .32 caliber! By this logic both .308 and .30-06 are mouse guns.

If you don't like the .30 SC for whatever pre-conceived prejudice you have, but why do you think you need to try to convince others they should agree with you, keep it to yourselves and let's just see what happens. Do you have any idea how much financial damage you could be causing S&W. Federal and other manufacturers by making such posts that may poison the minds of the new/inexperienced potential buyers against this new caliber and the guns already being made for it?

Yes, this is my opinion. If you want to argue about it you will have just convinced me how narrow minded/malicious you are! I was going to say stupid, but..........

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The 30 Super Carry would be the perfect companion for your 350 Legend AR.

No, sir. I care about the people on this forum. The cartridge manufacturer and the gun rags are pushing this sub-gun as a good self defense carry round.

They will get people killed. It isn't suitable for stand and defend yourself. It is suitable for suppressive fire as you run away. Two extra rounds WILL make more noise. That's it.

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Guns Dot Com has the Federal 50 rd box of 30 Super Carry ammo @ $24.99

Federal American Eagle - .30 Super Carry - Ammunition :: Guns.com

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I agree completely, I like the idea of having a small(er) carry gun that can hold 10 rounds and is easy shooting with 9mm like power. All very positive attributes, but I'm not biting until I see ammo at the store at a reasonable price.
Jay

It's already "Out of Stock". I'm definitely interested in 30 SC but I'm waiting until it's more available and priced closer to 9mm. The $24.99 price for 50 rounds isn't too bad.

Exactly! From reviews I've read, seems like the 30SC has great qualities; not enough for me to invest in a new gun, dies, etc... though.

My LGS has a waiting list for any 365 .380 he can get in stock, and LCP Max's are selling well. Many folks do not care about ballistics or bullet size because they aren't 'into' guns, have no intention of ever reloading, they just want the security of being armed.
And gun companies are no different than car companies, they have to continually come out with 'better' new models to attract buyers. Look how many Smith Shield and Glock 19 owners have sold/traded absolutely fine older generation models to get the latest generation.
Smith has the Shield out in .30SC, Sig will likely offer one in the 365 chassis, Taurus with the GX4, gun caliber sales drives ammo production which will lower prices
Same as it ever was.

Thanks for setting us all straight. Sorry if I offended anyone by expressing an opinion contrary to your beliefs. For a minute there, I thought I was posting on an internet forum that was soliciting opinions on different topics.

You’re right,
The 4 big deer I’ve flattened with my 350 Legend AR will attest.
Actually the 350L is a good comparison in the new offerings segment of the firearms market. At first many, like me were intrigued but were shouted down. Fit my needs perfectly but there were the same we don’t need another caliber, what’s it good for type arguments. Many internet writers declared it DOA also.
After some actual use and real world experience it became the biggest selling caliber in the states that could use it. It’s become my favorite deer caliber and has proven very effective.
Granted there hopefully won’t be as much “real world” experience with the 30SC, but real experience with the product could be quite revealing.
My interest has been tempered simply because there haven’t been any guns offered yet that I can get excited about.

Personally, I don't see any reason for another pip squeak "self defense" round. But I don't see any reason for the 9mm either. I admit. I am in the minority. But, if it does not have a "4" in front of it, I will not be carrying it for personal defense.

I know that things change. There are many of us here who are at a "certain age" when we remember the 9mm as a minor caliber European round that those people seemed to think belonged in a self defense gun. It was only available here as a new gun in the Smith and Wesson 39. That gun was aimed at law enforcement. I guess it sold enough to stay in production in its early years, but I don't remember it being any kind of a noticeable player. The 9mm was only kept alive here by the zillions of cheap military surplus guns that the market was awash in following two world wars in a quarter century. Its latest popularity has more than than a few of us still scratching our heads. So, maybe the .30 has a future. I doubt that I would bet a lot on it, though.

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30 SC will go the way of the 400 Corbon, 327mag, 5.7, 357 sig, 45GAP........ Looks like a solution looking for a problem. Someone will always want one but, will it ever be a pivotal handgun round, don't think so but, hey, opinions are like well, you know.

I figure that the FBI will be testing it soon to find the magic pistol cartridge for the limp wrists in the ranks.

I'll disagree with including the 357 SIG on that list: the question it answered very well was...

"How do we put essentially the same performance as a 125gr 357 Magnum revolver round in a high (as in "twice the") capacity semi-automatic pistol?"

Cheers!

P.S. Doubtful the 30 SC will ever be adopted by the Secret Service...?

The 350 Legend exists to satisfy a political idea. It really doesn't offer anything that wasn't already available other than to comply with some nonsensical rule. It's a piece of hunting equipment that has been mandated by people who don't hunt and don't know anything about guns. If the rule didn't exist, neither would the cartridge. If some jurisdiction restricts handgun bore diameter, then maybe the 30SC will make some sense. Otherwise, I think it dies on the vine, an answer to a question that no one asked.

It is my understanding that the 350 Legend was an answer to the question "Is there a better caliber that could be easily used in the AR15 platform to comply with the ridiculous and arbitrary rules some State's bureaucrats and legislators choose to inflict upon their hunting constituents and visitors who come to hunt & spend their recreational dollars?"

I also believe it has been proven to be effective and is perfectly appropriate for use in States that don't REQUIRE the use of straight walled calibers as well.

After all, like SO MUCH these days it is really just all about CONTROL!

No doubt it's appropriate for deer hunting but I don't think many deer hunters in the north east where I hunt are dumping their 336 Marlins in 35 Remington for that round. As far as people hunting up here with AR platforms, other than a few people hunting coyotes, I've never run into anyone using one for deer. I'm sure they're out there but I think they are few and far between. Other than lever actions, it seems that the gun I see most these days is the Ruger American bolt action. Usually in 308.

I remember the days when it was a lot simpler for me.
I had 3 Star Machines that pumped out .38spl and 45acp and a Rock Chucker for experimenting loads.
The 2 calibers were all I needed then.
Bought Remington 148gr HBWC in 2000 rd wood crates,cast 45 SWC in H&G #68 molds and bought Hercules powder in 8lb round cardboard containers.The powder and bullets were dropped shipped from combined order of 10 reloaders that was ordered from ads in the Shotgun News.
Having an FFL was simple and cheap.

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My 75 year old dad and I have both taken deer with our 350 Legends. Flat out drops them. We mostly hunt in a part of Texas where 100 yards is a long shot. The 350 easily handles the job at that distance. There are plenty of people outside of the northeast that use AR's for deer hunting. We've been using the 6.8 SPC in central Texas for a lot of years as well. My 350 is a lightweight AR pistol with a 13" barrel, very handy in the field. As for the 30 SC, if they put it in an optic ready CSX, I'll be digging out the wallet.

To be successful a cartridge has to offer something useful that people actually want.

The .400 Cor-Bon pretty well failed in that regard.

It was advertised as offering a simple conversion for a 1911, Glock, Sig P220, Ruger P90, etc. in .45 ACP to fire a 135 gr .40 caliber bullet at 10mm velocities by just installing a new barrel, and in some cases a heavier recoil spring.

That much was true but set back was a big issue and you either needed to use a heavy roll crimp in cast bullets, or use a cannelure tool on jacketed bullets to get a cannelure where you needed it so you could roll crimp the bullet.

In addition, as a necked down .45 ACP you still had .45 ACP magazine capacity. So 10mm recoil and ballistics, but still 1911 magazine capacity.

10mm/.400 Cor-Bon recoil was a bit sharp in a 1911 and regardless of what recoil spring I put in it (up to 24 pounds), it still battered the frame at 10mm velocities.

Between the PITA handloading and the sharp recoil, I just converted it back to .45 ACP.

So did most other folks who tried it.

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You could make an argument that there is a role for the .327 Federal Magnum in smaller revolvers like the SP101, offering 6 shots instead of 5 and more comfortable recoil, while still offering good ballistics, but customer demand just hasn’t backed that up.

Initially it was slow to take off because when revolvers started showing up for it in 2008-2009 you couldn’t get ammo for it, and by the time you could finally ammo, the revolvers were not being being produced. It’s swung back and forth since then, but it’s never really gotten in sync.

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It’s too bad in some respects. If Rossi chambered it in their Model 92, I’d buy one as it would make a great companion along side an SP101 and would offer excellent ballistics in a carbine or rifle, similar to the .30 carbine, and far superior to the .32-20. Unlike either the .30 Carbine or .32-20, it would allow use of the .32 H&R or .32 S&W Long cartridges as well.

Love the camo!

The problem with a lot of gun owners today, is that they don't have a lot of time to shoot or practice.........

or they are old with handicaps and don;t like recoil, or they just don't like to
spend money on ammo, and think if they can't shoot well..............
that a lot of bullets in their weapon will give them a 50/50 chance.

Hay;
the 30 does give you 1 or 2 more bullets !!

Word in Vladivostok is that the FSB will copy the 30 SC but add polonium bullets.

Meh, generalizations don't usually have any basis in fact. You know what ASSUME adds up to!