30 Super Carry

It's a shame that the discussion on the 30 SC has gone this way!

A very serious question: what happens when an ill-informed politician gets the brilliant (sarcasm) idea to replicate the policies of other high crime countries by banning the ownership of firearms in any military caliber? Where will the owners of arms chambered in: 223, 5.56, 6.8SPC, 30 Carbine, 30M1, 308, 38 S&W, 38 Special, 9x19, and 45 ACP be when their beloved arms and ammunition are banned? We are seeing these attempts with the AR platform.

We actually need to support the development of new arms and ammunition in preparation for the next step our elected non-representatives make!
 
We can debate ballistics and stopping power all day but there are folks looking for lower recoil options. My wife has arthritis and other issues. I don't think the .30 SC will work for her because she doesn't even like the 380 EZ. She has a model 317 she likes and shoots well. Guess it's better than nothing. Thought about finding a.32 revolver and trying long wad cutters?
 
I agree. What is the need for the 30 SUPER CARRY? If the .380 and 9mm do the job, why is there a need for this? It sounds kina like a Hallmark card scam to sell a product that no one needs...creating a vacuum where none exists...
 
BB57 said:
To be successful a cartridge has to offer something useful that people actually want.
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I think you missed my point. People feel the need to re-invent the wheel over and over. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I know that the 357 SIG was trying to come up with a new 357 mag but, other than being of initial interest, it won't be a long term agency gun and will relegate itself to the private collector/personal safety. It too is a solution looking for a problem. the main stays of 9, 40, and 45 have everything covered that is needed. You can get hotter or milder rounds for each.

My point is that the 30 SC will end up being one of those that will never catch on with any large department.
 
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At normal pistol velocities, penetration isn’t dependent on projectile energy or velocity.

Penetration through tissue, bone, and barriers is dependent on the conservation of momentum, and the law of conservation of momentum strongly favors heavier projectiles.
 
Save Ferrous! said:
Capacity and lower recoil? Same reason people went back to 9mm from .40?
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And they'll go back to bigger, harder hitting calibers for the same reason they did before. Some FBI agent will shoot a hop head 17 times and still get killed. The powers that be will wring their hands and spend oodles of tax dollars on ballistic gel and come to the conclusion that they need more power. It's a carousel and if you stand still long enough, it will change back again.
 
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I'm too old to be buying new different calibers and reloading dies, at my age.

I remember when the 17 Cal. was new and cool................

All you youngsters have fun with all these new fancy pistols and rifles.
I will just TRY and find kids in my family that still likes guns and take them from me....
or have to give them to "Outsiders" for a total loss of good workmanship, down the drains.
 
Nevada Ed said:
I'm too old to be buying new different calibers and reloading dies, at my age.

I remember when the 17 Cal. was new and cool................

All you youngsters have fun with all these new fancy pistols and rifles.
I will just TRY and find kids in my family that still likes guns and take them from me....
or have to give them to "Outsiders" for a total loss of good workmanship, down the drains.
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I'm not a "kid" but I am available for adoption, dad.

Lawn mowing is my specialty. :cool:

(I know, it was predictable but it had to be said ...)
 
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I do not have much hope for and no need for this round, as I have said earlier.

But, as I sit and think about it, I probably will stop short of predicting its demise. You just never know. Some Hollywood-ite might get inspired to make a movie where the ultra-cool cop runs around a California city filled with crime and horrible people while killing them with this caliber in many humorous ways. In the most notable scene you see him standing over the villian with his gun pointed at him. The memorable line is "Did the slide fail to lock back or not? - Feeling lucky punk?"

You will not be able to buy anything in that caliber for the next two years.

Believe it or not, it could happen.
 
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peyton said:
Only a couple of manufactures of guns using this caliber at this time. Plus with the ammo shortage I doubt we will ever see this cartridge on the shelf at the gun shop. Besides I wonder if it will function in my 327 magnum revolvers??
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Last time I was at Academy Sports and Outdoors last Thursday they had 6 or 8 20-round boxes of Federal Premium HST .30 SC for $29.99 a box, $1.50 a round.
 
Another solution in search of a problem.


I carry a j-frame daily unless I'm having one of those less optimistic days.


6 rounds and a reload is plenty, I don't plan on missing a lot.
 
Breakaway500 said:
Ballistics look very similar to 9mm Makarov. Don't really see the need to reinvent the wheel but people keep trying!
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With the .30 Super Carry you get near 9x19mm power with a 20% increase in magazine capacity. I'm happy with my 9x19mms, .38 Spls/.357 Mags, but then I look at my Grand Power String SP9A1 30-round magazines & imagine 36-round magazines the same length...

No, I will no go down that road. But,...if they ban "high caliber cartridges like the 9x19...
 
guns.com shows boxes of 50 Federal American Eagle .30 Super Carry ammo in stock @ $23.99

100gr bullet
brass case
Muzzle Velocity 1250fps

S&W Shield Plus w/3.1'" barrel in stock @ $570.99
 
Welderzero said:
6 rounds and a reload is plenty, I don't plan on missing a lot.
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"Everybody has a plan till they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson

Nobody plans on getting in a car wreck or missing. But it happens to a lot of people that think it couldn't happen to them. Taking the time to carefully place your shots at the range is one thing. Doing the same while someone is pointing a gun at your face is another.

Some people can do that. But unless you are training in high stress environments where speed matters nearly as much as accuracy you really don't know.

I don't tell people what to carry. As long their chosen carry gun give them the confidence that they will be able to defend themselves with it it's a good choice for them. But most people are not going to shoot a snub nose revolver like Jerry Miculek no matter how much they train and practice. I would guess that 90% of shooters are not as good as they think and will miss more often than they expect to if they have to use their gun in self defense. Having the humility to recognize you might miss and carrying a gun that gives you a few more shots is not a bad thing.
 
Extra rounds in a mouse gun accomplishes nothing.
 
Just recently saw some down at the Warehouse.
They had Two good sized stacks of Ball and a small pile of JHP.
I don’t think their price was as low as the Rem already posted.
 
I read the whole thread and felt it was a good discussion of the pros and cons of the new round. I probably will not be buying one, but have always thought a high velocity 30 or 32 was a good idea in an autoloader. I was thinking more of a 1400 fps round though...1230 is not what I was thinking was missing, but i hope the new cartridge and guns chambered for it sell well. There's really no good reason to hope they don't.
 
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I recently watched a Forgotten Weapons video on you tube about the .30 SC. The host, Ian McCallum reviewed the cartridge in the Shield +. The review was more about the cartridge than the pistol. Ian did a detailed comparison between the .30 SC and the 7.65 French Long cartridge which is dimensionally almost identical.

Ian liked the Shield + but in his opinion the .30 SC would really shine as a subgun and or PCC round. I thought that was an interesting idea.
 
Remember how .41 Mag was supposed to be more size efficient, too?[/QUOTE]

Actually , probably 50% of the reason for the ( Law Enforcement market) failure of the .41 Mag was the total absence of any attempt to make it Size Efficient .

It was designed to have more ( insert prefered terminology for recieving end effectiveness ) than .38/ .357 ammunition of the time , but less recoil than .44 Mag ..And it Did !

But the N Frame was big and heavy , and thus disliked by most Ofcs unless they were gun enthusiasts And burly .

The lead bullet " police load " performed well in actual gunfights , but fired in quanity for training had leading and accuracy issues . The only other then loads with full power jacketed was too much recoil for much of the rank & file .

Meanwhile , as bullet advances improved the effectiveness of .38/ .357 , the percieved demand for general issue large frame big bores wained .
 
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