Questions for Current/Retired NYC Cops Regarding HR-218

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First, Will having a current HR-218 Card allow retired (non NYS resident) police officers to carry concealed in NYC, or will they face prosecution, and myself, being a NYS DCJS certified retired police officer from NYS, and still living here, with a non NYC, but NYS pistol permit with HR-218 card be allowed to carry in NYC? The NYS Penal law states that persons whose pistol license was issued outside NYC cannot carry in NYC unless approved by the commissioner of police, unless the person whose license was issued outside NYC is a retired police officer. My county has not issued the new credit card license yet, but I have seen the new pistol permits issued from surrounding counties that state "Not valid in NYC unless a retired police officer". Every year when we qualify for HR-218 this NYC question always comes up, with no definative clear cut answer. I know the mayor has his own rules which seem to be the same as the police commissioner, and there are always horror stories coming out, so can some NYC cops please help answer this question? Thanks in advance.
 
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If you are LEOSA qualified (as a retiree) or an active duty LEO you CAN carry in NYC just like anywhere else in the US of A. Period.

LEOSA is Federal law and preempts state prohibitions.

There are some limitations, though. That said, if you are not in a post office, Federal building, courthouse, or similar venues you are good re: CCW in NYC, DC, Chicago... anywhere.

Be safe.
 
What The Big D says is true, I have done a good bit of research…which you should confirm yourself…and any LEO or qualified retired LEO can carry ANYWHERE in the United states with some exceptions i.e. schools, federal buildings and the like. It is a federal law and supersedes state laws. Dig in and do your own research and I think you will be satisfied with your results.
I hope this helps get you started sir.
Cheers
(Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
“The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" -- to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.
The LEOSA was considered during the 108th Congress as H.R. 218.[1] Once signed by President Bush, it enacted Public Law 108-277, which put into effect 18 USC 926B.”
 
As others have said, NYC doesn't have a choice. Too many cities have been burned because they desided the law didn't apply to them. Check out sheepdog accademy.

Having said that, I visit several LE internet forums where this has been discussed. I never ran across a NYC cop who had any problems what so ever with the LEOSA and non-resident off duty or retired cops carrying. I don't see anyone having a problem in NYC carrying per the LEOSA.

If any have questions about the LEOSA, the best resourse is the sheepdog accademy. They have attorney's and cops traveling around the country educating local governments and cops (retired and active) on the LEOSA.

It would be best if you could attend their seminars, but if you can't, you can order the material from them for $10 bucks. Their material sure relieved my mind regarding my worries about the LEOSA.
 
HR-218 NRC Police Officers

From what I have read, Mayor Bloomburg will not honor HR218 for NYC retired Police Officers unless you reside in NYC. If you are an out of state resident, he will not issue the application and qualification tests unless a resident of the city. He feels that a retired NYC officer would augment the police force and would be granted the authority if a resident of the city. He has been a real obstacle in more ways that one would imagine. But when you have his kind of money, one could do just about anything. For example, my neighbor across the street is a retired NYC transit officer and asked me the same question. He visits his family in the Bronx, once a year for three weeks and has the same problem of residing out of NYC.

Nick
 
"Honor" LEOSA is not at all the same as "qualify" per LEOSA.

Eligible persons may be "qualified" by their former LE entity OR by per state standards in the state in which they currently reside.

So, if your neighbor cannot be qualified by NYPD he can undergo LEOSA training and be qualified in Florida.

That would FULLY qualify him, and he could then enjoy LEOSA privileges in NYC or anywhere else he chooses to visit.

Hope this helps.

Be safe.


hobby-gunsmith said:
From what I have read, Mayor Bloomburg will not honor HR218 for NYC retired Police Officers unless you reside in NYC. If you are an out of state resident, he will not issue the application and qualification tests unless a resident of the city. He feels that a retired NYC officer would augment the police force and would be granted the authority if a resident of the city. He has been a real obstacle in more ways that one would imagine. But when you have his kind of money, one could do just about anything. For example, my neighbor across the street is a retired NYC transit officer and asked me the same question. He visits his family in the Bronx, once a year for three weeks and has the same problem of residing out of NYC.

Nick
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Has anyone crafted a cover letter to send to their agency to request a retired ID card under LEOSA? I am retired LE and wish to persue LEOSA rather than carrying multiple states CCW permits.
 
Why, Jimmy? I am in NYC fairly regularly and always carry there...always. I carry totally concealed and can count the times anyone has "made me" on one finger.

Last time there was in November, 2012. Carried everywhere except Barclay's Center. Did not know if they wanded/magged and banned and did not want to walk back to hotel if they did.

Be safe.

jimmyj said:
DO NOT CCW in NYC-!! Those folks are "DIFFERENCE" when it comes to weapons !
(P.S. if you are a criminal--its ok to CCW)
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jimmyj said:
DO NOT CCW in NYC-!! Those folks are "DIFFERENCE" when it comes to weapons !
(P.S. if you are a criminal--its ok to CCW)
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Not my experience. I'm a retired west-coast copper and have visited NYC numerous times, armed. When I got off the plane in NYC (LaGuardia) I ID'd myself to a Port Authority patrolman, who escorted me and my bag to a private area so I could get my revolver out of my bag, load it and secure it in private. NYC (at least for cops) is awesome. I've been told by more than one NYC policeman that NY cops receive training in LEOSA. Never heard of an outside LEO being hassled by NYC's finest.
Bob
 
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OIF2 said:
Not my experience. I'm a retired west-coast copper and have visited NYC numerous times, armed. When I got off the plane in NYC (LaGuardia) I ID'd myself to a Port Authority patrolman, who escorted me and my bag to a private area so I could get my revolver out of my bag, load it and secure it in private. NYC (at least for cops) is awesome. I've been told by more than one NYC policeman that NY cops receive training in LEOSA. Never heard of an outside LEO being hassled by NYC's finest.
Bob
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Tell us what happened when you flew back, and if you flew out of LGA or some other airport. It is my understanding that when you declare your fire arm at LGA JFK or EWR, the ticket agent notifies the Port Authority Police. If so did you have the same experience as when you arrived.
 
Over on Military.com Coast Guard Discussions there is a lawyer who has began to specialize in LEOSA issues. He has prevailed in cases in New Jersey and New York.
 
On my flights from EWR and LGA the agents have NOT notified the PAPD...at least not directly/in my presence.

However, on one of my flights pre-9/11 I was paged and directed to report to the PAPD desk in the terminal. Two officers approached and inquired why I had a gun in my suitcase. Displayed my creds and advised them it was declared at check-in. No problems.

Be safe.

jtpur said:
Tell us what happened when you flew back, and if you flew out of LGA or some other airport. It is my understanding that when you declare your fire arm at LGA JFK or EWR, the ticket agent notifies the Port Authority Police. If so did you have the same experience as when you arrived.
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I've carried there numerous times under LEOSA while visiting from Ohio. Never had any issue.
 
My understanding was that Bloomberg has already been set straight on this one: LEOSA is federal law, there's not a darn thing he can do about it.
 
jtpur said:
Tell us what happened when you flew back, and if you flew out of LGA or some other airport. It is my understanding that when you declare your fire arm at LGA JFK or EWR, the ticket agent notifies the Port Authority Police. If so did you have the same experience as when you arrived.
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I always declare my gun to the ticket agent and show my retired PD ID at the same time. No issues. Once, in Westchester County Airport, a NY Sate Trooper stopped by while I was signing my declaration. He asked if I "was on the job" (so New York). After I presented my ID he wanted to know what it was like to work in 80 degree weather in January. Again, never any issues in NY or NYC. I also had no problems in Boston or CT.
Bob
 
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crofoot629 said:
Is there a 10 round magazine capacity limit like Hawaii, even though carrying under HR218?

Emory
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I don't think LEOSA supersedes state regs in this regard, though it has been amended for LEOSA use of hollowpoints (for instance, NJ). I may be wrong, but I think even active NY coppers must carry 10-round mags. Strange. I always carry a revolver, so it doesn't apply to me.
Bob
 
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