Any thoughts from LEOs and/or personal experiences about the modern polypropylene "walking sticks" in restricted areas such as airports.

From time to time I travel out of the country and necessarily visit areas that are not always the best. I've always felt a bit better with a walking stick or cane in my hand.

Modern manufactured walking sticks such as the (COLD STEEL) blackthorn copies, African walking sticks, etc. can be certainly be used for assistance in getting around, but these are obviously more substantial than most walking canes, designed as they are for defense. Do TSA or other officials look upon these any differently than they do a more standard lightweight wood or aluminum cane?

I am 60, so I look the part when carrying a cane. And I carry a somewhat heavier wood bent cane when I travel. My experiences have so far been positive going through airport security. My stick/cane has never been questioned. Usually the screeners have even offered a "loaner" cane while my own cane went through the scanner.

Lately I've had my eye on one of the blackthorn models, and wonder if my experience might be different if I were carrying one of those...

Thoughts? Anecdotes?

Thanks.

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I work at an airport and spend most of my time watching screening. My experience is that canes and walking sticks of any type are OK, as long as there's no hidden weapon (like a knife or sword) in it and there is no sharpened point on the bottom.

I've been packin' an oak cane for a while without any problems.

I traveled in and out of Seattle with no problems with my wood cane. They automatically gave me a loaner to go through the scanner, while mine went through the Xray with all my other stuff. My wife was somewhat concerned when they pulled out the little cloth wipes to check the "boot" on my broken ankle. They wiped it and my hands down, while explaining that that is normal for any cast or substantial covering of a body part. I offered to take it off but they assured me it wasn't necessary. When my wife asked what they were checking for and they said "explosives" my wife asked me (quietly) were you reloading anything before we left home this morning?

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

It is normal for them to check for explosives in this manner. I have a prosthetic leg and the first time they did it I was not happy. But I understood why and they were polite. I also reload and shoot a lot and was concerned that they might pick up some kind of gunpowder residue but it has never happened.

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Tom
NRA Pistol Inst

If any residue is encountered by TSA that causes an alarm, they will resolve the issue and send you on your way. It's actually more common in my experience for prescription meds like nitroglycerine tablets and certain hand lotions (that also contain glycerine compounds) to alarm vs. folks that reload ammo.

The Cold Steel Blackthorn may get you in a little trouble in some countries as it is essentially a reproduction shillelagh.

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I have found that by dragging my leg and putting a pillow under my coat in the rear helps plenty. Most time I over hear them say "hear comes the hunch back of Notre Dame" I grunt and the let me thru, blackened out teeth and old tattered clothes help too. just a thought,>wink<

Although this may or may not be true wrt TSA in the US, back in 2000 we had a 4 hour (middle of night) stop-over in Zürich and I watched them wheel in this monstrous machine. While they were setting up I asked one of the (I assume) Zürich police officers if it picked up gun powder residue from shooting and the answer was no. When we went thru that checkpoint they were swabbing bags and the machine read the results. No issues.

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If they gave you a loaner they've either changed policy or I had the ignorant screener. When I messed up my knee 7 years ago I used a wood cane for a while. They took it away to run it through the x-ray, and I just had to hobble through on my own. Of course I'd had to take off my shoes so it's slippery with just socks on. I put my hand on the detector for balance and oh my goodness you'd think I had insulted his mother from the tongue-lashing I got. Does placing ones hand on the upright portion somehow render the device useless? If so he can certainly tell me that; I don't know how the dang thing works. He doesn't have to scold me like I'm a five-year-old.

Afterwards I'm trying to collect my pocket items, belt, shoes, cane, hat, carry-on bag and was apparently not moving quickly enough; got another earful about holding up people behind me. ME holding up the line? Really? After the wait I just went through? For once in my life I smartly bit my tongue and shut up. They'd have arrested me if I'd said what I was thinking.

Fine, but then did they let you ride inside the plane?

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Oh well, what the hell.

You may want to consider a Cane made from Hickory. They are very strong and can be very substantial. Some are marketed for defensive purposes, but others are made in similar diameters and can be decorative as well. Like anything, prices vary, but can be as inexpensive as $11.00 for a plain one.

Question.....if your at a stag in your life where you need a cane. How effective are you defending yourself with one ????

Some people don't need them to walk. They play like they need them so they have a legal weapon. Larry

A bit off topic, but my son worked in EOD and did a lot of explosives training. His tainted luggage always set off TSA alarms. ID and a set of orders cleared it up though.

You might be surprised. Recently a large, attacking dog found that I could be pretty effective with mine and stop short of shooting him.

And yes, I need my cane. No pretense.

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Oh well, what the hell.

About 5 years ago, my Blackthorn cane and I went through TSA scrutiny and had no problems. They gave me a loaner, sent Blackie thru the scanner, and met me on the other side. (of course, I had just checked my pistol in). All in all, not an unpleasant experience. Of course, the wife had done a lot of the prep work and knew all the correct steps.

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On another site I read that the Americans with Disability Act forbids them from even asking why you need the cane. I've also heard that anything that resembles a shillelagh is verboten in the UK (and probably elsewhere). Seems the Irish guys split quite a few heads with them in the last couple of centuries of British occupation.

I actually need a cane to properly navigate and TSA has always been very helpful and understanding but it must go through the x-ray.

I have a blackthorn walking stick (not a Cold Steel plastic one), and it has traveled with me with no problem. I can usually walk through a metal detector without it. However, before my doctor found something that controlled my arthritis, I sometimes needed two canes to get around. Of course, back in those days, no one was going through metal detectors or having their baggage x-rayed, and I was always allowed on the airliner first.

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Smokeless powder is a propellant, not an explosive. The airport sensors aren't calibrated to pick it up. They have no reason to. As others have said, they are mainly looking for nitrates.

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Chris
SWCA #2243 SWHF #292

As I have intermittent knee problems, I always travel with a folding cane in my carry-on luggage unless I happen to need the cane at the airport. Never been an issue.

While standing in a long ticket buyers' line at a Paris museum, leaning on my cane, a security guard came over and ushered my wife and I to the front of the line. It's a courtesy I didn't know about but apparently common in Paris.

I go back and forth to the middle east a few times a year and always have my "Cane Master" made of hickory. About as formidable as a Louisville slugger, and no one dares ask about it. It's the only deadly weapon that they have to let you take on an airplane.

Even in the states it's an EDC.

Cane Masters!, Walking Canes for mobility, self-defense, exercise and rehabilitation

My 13 yr old daughter & I were flying AK to GA for my son's army graduation. We thought we were smart by taking a "roll" of quarters for easy grabbing in a left over mini m&m case. (They fit perfect, it's bright, easy to see in your carry on...)
I was in a wheelchair, my tiny daughter was pushing me, we went through the scanners and all the sudden they grabbed us, thru on a vest, carried the bag like it would explode and took us aside. Asked us whose bag, could they reach in...and pulled out the m&m container with two fingers holding it very carefully and far away!
"What is in the CONTAINER?" "Quarters" "Do I have your permission to open it right now?" "Of course, it's just quarters for soda machines as we travel." I have never seen anyone seem so frightened opening anything before! He told me it showed up on the screen looking like an explosive they are trained to watch for that always comes in a tube! Learned my lesson!

And I'll bet on the plane there are empty seats next to yours too, soon after they get a good look at you.
Smart idea!
Steve W

I'm 63 with a hip that's giving me trouble as I get older and have taken to carrying a a home made hickory cane ( i enjoy making them for friends) and TSA has never questioned it. I too read somewhere that due to the ADA they cannot question why need a cane.

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More effective than you are going to be defending yourself WITHOUT one I'll bet...

At the lab for a blood draw I ran into a guy carrying a shillelagh who told me that the Irish invented golf. He said they used their shillelaghs to hit sheep droppings into gopher holes.

I stumbled on this old thread and I like it so I am resurrecting it.

Now that my knees are bad enough to warrant using a cane I never fly without one. A few years ago, when I figured I looked old enough, anyway, I flew with one, anyway. TSA only has one requirement - they want to x-ray the stick. The first time I did this was with an African-made cane, made out of 4 different pieces of wood, with a hippopotamus on the head. In order to fasten the 4 pieces together an iron rod ran through the cane. TSA did not like it at first but when they realized the stick could NOT come apart they let it go, satisfied no weapon was concealed inside.

What they didn't recognize was that the weight of that stick and the hippo's head were more than sufficient as a weapon but, again, ADA rules DO apply, so a cane is a cane and they allowed it. I never used that one again because I didn't like arousing their attention.

Currently, the canes that I use are custom made shillelaghs or other cool canes, one actually being from Ireland. They make great walking sticks as well as great weapons and I am afraid that the golf story above is a myth.

The shillelagh was originally just a cudgel, maybe 2 feet long. Called a "bata" I think. The British outlawed them way back when because they didn't want Irish folks to carry weapons. The folks figured out that the British couldn't ban "canes"/walking sticks so they lengthened them.

That's pretty close to precise history as I know it. And I might be old and have bad knees but when I have to travel to places where my guns can't go it would be a mistake to think I was unarmed when I have one of my canes with me.

ISCS Yoda, I like your approach.


However about ADA. You should change your wording from "Can't" to "Shouldn't". In Dec. 2001 coming back home from SeaTac I encountered a very arrogant airport security dweeb (it was before they officially became TSA) who pulled a CVS prescription bottle out of my carry-on and started the inquisition of what is it (it was well marked) and WHY I had it! I became very short with her and never answered her extra-nosy questions. No she should never have asked but I guess she never got the memo. ADA is older than that as it got invoked at DEC back in the late 1980s as I recall.

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Is anyone on the forum aware of a training class that us oldsters can take on using a walking cane as a defensive weapon? I've looked and not come up with anything.
Jim

To answer a question posed above, most metal detectors are free standing and trying to use one for support will result in you and the detector being on the ground.

Explosive detectors and possibly the see through gadgets (no experience with the see throughs) may be substantial enough to support you. Kinda depends.

For defensive information, check the internet for Defensive Canes, and there are some designed specifically for that, and the company (I don't recall the mane) has information on their website.

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

They are also a traditional accoutrement for a well-dressed gentleman regardless of (dis)ability.

Current tech picks up fired gun powder res. i git tagged in atlanta once from just packing my shooting gear after a weekend match.

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Or the stereotypical pimp.

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Unless highly trained in the martial arts involving a cane, I tend to think that it is false security to have one for self-defense. It actually may give an aggressor a weapon (as he takes it from you) and increase your chances of serious injury. Same thing with a knife. A weapon is only as good as the training/ skill a person has wielding it.

I sometimes need to use a cane, and I keep one in the truck in case of need.

Not as long or heavy as the pugil sticks we trained with in the Army, nor as effective as the M14 for vertical or horizontal butt strokes, but certainly longer and heavier than the batons we trained with as young cops.

I suspect that I would be better off defending myself with a cane than trying to do so bare handed.

If an assailant took a cane away from a senior citizen, and commenced viciously assaulting said citizen with said cane, the citizen might need to defend himself with a CCW.
"I knew that I was in danger of grievous bodily harm".

Best,
Rick

Their used to be a defensive Umbrella that people had taken on flights with no problems, thus thing was almost indestructible, they demo it by having in a 250 lbs man jump up and down on it while it was propped up between two chairs.

The then showed a video of how to use it as a club, the guy beating a punching bag with it, them turning the pointed tip and jabbing an penetrating the cavass on the bag. This was probably more effective then a Police Riot Baton. Forget the name though!

Next time you visit your family MD, ask for a statement on their letterhead staying that 'Mr??? has medical need to use a walking aid such as a cane.'.

Sign, date, etc. Mine has the Doc's typed signature block and her handwriting is legible.

I keep mine with the Passport.

Great topic and links to find answers would be helpful to all.

I'm sure more effective than just using your bare hands.

Cane fighting for gentlemen?
Bartitsu - Wikipedia

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Greg Ellifritz has a great cane summary
http://www.activeresponsetraining.ne...fective-weapon

I have kept my eye out for one of his classes. We are all getting older, right?

You guys are lucky. I am of Spanish/French/English descent and get scanned , poked, and prodded every time I get in line due to Mideastern/Mediterranean profiling. Sniffed for explosives, X-Rayed, etc. And my family has been on this continent since before Jamestown existed! And the political climate has made it much worse.

AFAIK according to the ADA the TSA (nor anyone else) has ti right to question your need for a cane. Medical info is protected under HIPAA.

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Since this very thread is a parallel to a new one I thought I should resurrect it one more time and hook them up.

And the Cold Steel Blackthorn literally screams "weapon" - not my choice for a discreet cane.

Canes for self defense

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It was the Scots. But we Irish perfected it!

Kevin

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I think, technically speaking, the cargo bay is "inside."

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