Fading loyalty to Smith and Wesson

For me, J frames are limited to BUG status. I only have one, a 940-1, and it is ok, but not something I want to shoot. If I had a .38 J frame, I would load it with standard velocity SWC as I use the most in my M66, or the target wadcutters with SWC in a speed loader. I am not that arthritic, but the general reality of .38 special in a short barrel is that expecting expansion to an extent that matters is unrealistic. Placement and penetration are important.
 
J-frame revolvers are not target guns. Any expectation of shooting tight groups at distances more than 5-7 yards is unrealistic IMHO. These revolvers are only suitable for short range self defense.

Not target guns for sure, but I have no trouble hitting a vital zone sized target areas at 25 yards fairly consistently.
 
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J Frames are not target guns. If they were all would have adjustable sights and much better triggers and grips. Meant mainly for in close offensive and defensive shooting. That said I use to shoot one a lot just to keep my skill with one up as I was a firearms instructor. I was able to qualify as a "Distinguished Expert" with a Model 36 on the Navy Qualification's Course of Fire. The course was normally shot with 4" S&W's and Ruger Security Six's. Tough to do folks, you can't shoot anything less that a bullseye for every shot. Would I want to take a shot at 25 yards if I had to with a J Frame....No. If I had to do so.....Yes, but only if given no choice. Close work is what it was designed for.
 
My J frames are for in my house, indoor protection. Outside and away from home protection is relegated to 1911 style semi-autos. The smallest is .32 auto and the largest is .45 ACP. I do have revolvers for "outside work", but they are for game hunting and are coupled with a carbine or rifle in the same caliber. All of my S&W revolvers carry Pach's because they fit my hands better.

There is no shame in changing the grips on your EDC if it makes your practice time or serious business time more comfortable and makes it easier to hit what you're shooting at. 12/6 is my rule for any kind of encounter with those less than stellar people in our society. If you can't hit it because you cringe every time you squeeze the trigger, find something that makes it work for you.

The OP has done just that and is to be commended for his action. WELL DONE, SIR.

Llance
 
I "retired' my M60-7 as well as all other revolvers from EDC duty about 6 years ago. After firing my friend's then new Sig P365, I could no longer deny or ignore all the benefits over a 5 or 6 shot revolver. It holds 10+1 and actually 12+ 1 or up to 17+1 with longer mag's with about half the felt recoil of a J-frame loaded with P's. Not only is the felt recoil about half as much, there is absolutely no discomfort at all when firing it. I can shoot 200 rounds at a practice session with no pain or soreness afterwards. I carry 124 grain Federal std. vel. HST JHP ammo (about $25 bucks per box of 50 rounds) which IMHO is the best 9mm carry load for a short barreled (3.1") pistol. The GDHP 124 grain or Sig "V" series is also very good.

Not only is the onboard capacity more than double of a J Frame, the accuracy with its excellent night sights is way better and easier to aim and hit with and follow up shots are faster too. The P365 is also lighter, smaller and easier to carry in a pocket, on the hip or IWB and way faster and easier to reload if needed. I have the model with the external safety and I have no fears about always carrying it with a live round in he chamber. There are 2 other internal safeties as well.

For over 40 years I was a dyed in the wool revolver man and I still do shoot them often (mostly K's) - but no longer would consider using one as a primary EDC gun (with the exception of a .357 Magnum in the woods for protection against 4 legged animals. I also much prefer 9mm ammo over .38 special as I truly believe it is more potent with better expansion, higher velocity, more readily available and at half the price. Practice ammo is just above $10 a box of 50 and these days it is actually cheaper to use factory ammo than to reload it yourself! I like the Federal American Eagle 124 grain FMJ which shoots to the same POA as the HST's of the same weight do. I thing I paid about $11.50 / box of 50 rounds but now they can be had even less when they run a sale and purchased by the case - delivered to your doorstep!

With well over 7,000 rounds through mine and zero hang ups, I have full faith in its dependability and reliability to work if and when it is ever needed (hopefully never). So my J Frames (I have a bunch of them) still hold a place in my heart and in my safe, but no longer get the nod as an EDC. I believe that with blatant violent crime being committed more now days than ever before by Gangs and people who have no value of human life, 5 rounds in a harder to shoot self defense gun no longer makes sense - at least for me.

That about covers it. I'm in the same camp. P365 is my regular carry too for all the reasons you stated. I got a couple of magguts kits for mine and the 10 round mags become 12 rounds and the 12 round mags become 14 rounds.

I can relate to your comments. I like my S&W 638 and carry it some. Nevertheless, it is harder to fire fast and accurately and the recoil in the airweight revolver makes it much harder to get quick and accurate follow-up shots. These days I carry a Glock 42 or a Kel-Tek P32. The P32 on a belt clip is preferable for summer.

For a short time I summer-carried a P32 in my pocket - until I found out the P3AT is the exact same size and with a magguts kit holds the same number of more potent 380ACP rounds.

My heavy carry is a PT145 - 10 rounds of 45ACP. I wish magguts made a kit for it too. I'd buy a couple of them for sure.
 
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As much as I admire the design, I never really was any good with a J Frame. Much happier with .380 ACP, which in this case isn’t a whole lot bigger but for me a much more accurate and pleasant shooting experience.

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As much as I admire the design, I never really was any good with a J Frame. Much happier with .380 ACP, which in this case isn’t a whole lot bigger but for me a much more accurate and pleasant shooting experience.

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Have always told folks to find a handgun that is to their liking, be it revolver or pistol. Also tell them we can change the grips to make it more comfortable. Folks will tend to shoot better if they practice with something that fits the bill for them.
 
You must control the inflammation.
I have lived with psoriatic arthritis since 1986.
I depend on NSAIDS and it is important for me to change it up every ten months or so. Also a little extra pain control with some Tylenol keeps the functioning going. Mine gets better with use.
At 68 I am shooting the little guns better than ever.

Best Hopes for You!
BrianD
 
I carry an Sig P220 .45 on duty and a Smith 625-7 3” 45 Colt off-duty. I’m in my mid-50s so hopefully my hands don’t start giving me the business. I’ve been eyeballing a Ruger Alaskan 2.75” 454 Casull… 🤪
 
Well, as you can see, you are not alone! Although my 642-2 was my EDC for many years, it now resides in the gun safe. I now EDC a Performance Center M&P Shield Plus 9mm. It's about the same size, many more rounds, and more comfortable and accurate to shoot. It rides in the same Sticky pocket holster, mostly in the front pocket of my cargo shorts. Occasionally I'll carry AIWB. I've never been a fan of Glocks, so I'll just stick with S&W.
 

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Smith J frames are the most difficult handguns to shoot of any commonly owned handguns. Most are never shot more than once. They’re not fun guns to shoot.

No, they're not fun to shoot. Pretty much anyone who carries one and not complaining about shooting it are probably not shooting it much.
 
No, they're not fun to shoot. Pretty much anyone who carries one and not complaining about shooting it are probably not shooting it much.

I shoot handguns every week. Usually full sized revolvers and autos. I do not shoot the snubbies, but a couple of times a year. Mainly when I change carry ammo, I shoot out the old. It puts fresh ammo in the piece and reminds me where to aim at "Belly Gun" ranges. Yes, my hand usually pays the price ( I normally use a shooting glove and a wrist brace when shooting the snubbies). Not complaining, just saying is all......
 
Gave up 1911's at least ten years ago due to arthritis in both wrists and both thumbs. Still carry my 442 with 158 gr. SWCHP'S. yeah a bit uncomfortable. All my practice and yearly qualifications are with Fiocchi 148gr. WC which is a light load. I may switch to just wadcutters as carry soon, I'm 75 and still quality at 95 or better.

I find that J frames with the S&W stock synthetic rubber two finger grips fit my hand/wrist/arm perfectly with constant alignment. That's all I ever use. Out to 15 yards I only use the front sight with a dab of orange nailpolish. Been doing it this way since 1973. 25 yards include the rear sight and center mass is still doable.

If it ever comes time I can't shoot a 442 anymore I'll move it on down to a 351C. That thought doesn't bother me as a bunch of .22 mags in center mass will ruin a bad guys day, big time. Finding the gun that fits you perfectly is the answer. Having a huge rotation is not. Just sayin' YMMV.
 
"Fading loyalty to Smith and Wesson"

It is hard to see American icons self-destroy themselves.
When a person buys a classic wooden yacht, they become the steward rather than the owner. Stewardship comes with responsibilities.
The same applies to principals of iconic American businesses. They have the responsibility to maintain the hard-earned reputation and customer loyalty previous generations worked hard to develop.
Slimy bean counters and corporate raiders aren't fit to run S&W, Boeing, etc into the ground.
 
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Gave up 1911's at least ten years ago due to arthritis in both wrists and both thumbs. Still carry my 442 with 158 gr. SWCHP'S. yeah a bit uncomfortable. All my practice and yearly qualifications are with Fiocchi 148gr. WC which is a light load. I may switch to just wadcutters as carry soon, I'm 75 and still quality at 95 or better.

I find that J frames with the S&W stock synthetic rubber two finger grips fit my hand/wrist/arm perfectly with constant alignment. That's all I ever use. Out to 15 yards I only use the front sight with a dab of orange nailpolish. Been doing it this way since 1973. 25 yards include the rear sight and center mass is still doable.

If it ever comes time I can't shoot a 442 anymore I'll move it on down to a 351C. That thought doesn't bother me as a bunch of .22 mags in center mass will ruin a bad guys day, big time. Finding the gun that fits you perfectly is the answer. Having a huge rotation is not. Just sayin' YMMV.

I had a S&W 342 Ti that was tearing up my bare hand and hurt like heck when I shot it with .38 Specials and did even worse with +P's, even with Hogue grips. Right hand has so much arthritis in it that I wear a tight shooting glove and a wrist brace when shooting for fun at the range. Now I use a S&W Model 30-1 rechambered to .32 H&R Mag with Hogues.

I too, use only the front sight out to 15 yards with a handgun.
 
I carried a Model 60 off-duty for too may years to remember. It's a definitive neck & up belly gun. At probable distances it might have to be deployed to save a cop's life, he'll require a CNS hit to ensure immediate incapacitation of a bad guy who wants him dead.

The G26 is infinitely a more reliable and superior off-duty handgun than the Model 60. The Springfield Armory EMP3 is the essence of off-duty perfection. You could slide an EMP 3 in your back pocket and no one would know. Mine is more reliable than any S&W revolver I've ever owned.

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