Living in New Jersey I know nothing about concealed carry. But with retirement possible in the next several years I am planning my escape to a free state.

One concealed carry gun that caught my eye is the SIG P365 micro in 9mm. They now come with a manual safety. What seems to be the consensus on getting a concealed carry gun with a manual safety?

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The P365 is a great concealed carry choice. I have recently moved to carrying mine instead of a J Frame S&W 442.

Easy to shoot and accurate if you do your part.

On a quality handgun a safety is a personal preference choice.

Main thing is to seek quality instruction/training and if you have a safety make sweeping it part of your drawstroke.

I carried a 5903 TSW early in my LE career safety off. But I always trained to sweep it because you never know if it got bumped on.

Great advice from 325MOD! Conceal carry is not a spectator sport, and proper training and PRACTICE is a must. The worst thing you can do is buy a gun with a manual safety and then decide to "leave it off and ignore it" and then carry it without regular practice.
Having taught state-required carry qualification, I am appalled at the number of people that showed up expecting a "laws and safety" quickie class to teach them everything about drawing and shooting a gun.

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The P365 is a great choice. I personally prefer no safety, but you need to feel comfortable with whichever choice you make. As your previous advice stated, get proper training, and continue to maintain that training.

One of my carry pistols is a manual safety 365, and I practice a lot with it, and shoot some competition IDPA events with it. I have shot 1911 pistols for years so have no problem clicking off the safety when I draw my 365. But if a person chooses, they do not have to engage the safety. Just better to always use or never use the safety on the pistol. Mine has never once had a malfunction with my assorted hand loaded ammo or any store bought 9mm. You will need one of several devices to fully load the mags, as the springs are really stout in the mags. There is a good assortment of holsters available for the 365, I prefer a King Tuk or an On Your Six holster, depending on what I am wearing. Going to gear up with my SIG in a few hours for church.. I am on my church's security team. I have big hands, and with the slightly longer magazines available for the 365, I can handle the pistol quite well, much better than some other small guns I have tried to shoot. If you want to practice accurate shooting for fun, they are very accurate pistols if you do your part.

If and when you decide to carry a defensive pistol, like the posters above suggest, shoot it a lot, and get comfortable with drawing it from your holster. And understand clearly the carry laws in your state.

Part of carrying is not just one's firearm, but the choice of holster and gun belt, and making sure the holster's clips fit the width of the gun belt, and your holster securely retains your pistol. Most carry people have a variety of holsters before they find the ones that work best for them. If you have a local gun store, ask about any shooting clubs or teams that they know of, and seek their experience and guidance, you will find them very willing and patient with helping a new shooter learn safe and enjoyable handgun shooting and personal protection.

And while store bought ammo is expensive now, be sure to regularly shoot whatever you decide to carry.

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I owns one, It's a great choice to own .

Safeties are a personal choice. On a DAO or hammer fired weapon, I can feel comfortable carrying without a safety. Never in a striker fired weapon with a 5 pound trigger pull. For what it’s worth, Paul Harrell, a respected gun guy on YouTube, reviewed the 365 and said he wouldn’t carry it without the safety since the trigger is so light. A little practice and disengaging a safety is as automatic as any of the other things we do everyday. Do you have to remind yourself to step on the brake pedal before you shift into gear?

I have gone through the “seeking the perfect concealed sidearm” for over fifty years. I have migrated from magnum revolvers through full size 1911s, S&W 45 & 9mms, Kahr 9mm compacts.

When I picked up a Sig P365 with a manual safety I quit looking.
I carry one every day.
I got the optional 12 round magazine, and it’s a perfect fit in my hand.
I have ordered the Magguts kits to convert the two factory 10 round magazines to 12 rounders.

I am very pleased with this little gun. It’s reliable and minute of cow t**d accurate from 5 to 35 yards.

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I have spent the last 10 months training new shooters. 7 out of 10 of them show up with new Sig 365s. Reliable, accurate pistols with decent triggers.

9 out of 10 have a manual safety on their 365. And they are trained how to use them. A safety is not an "issue" and gives you options. Use it, don't use it. Buy the 365. You will be glad you did. Regards 18DAI

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I bought a 365XL with the safety six months ago. I like it. Feeds everything I try in it. It shoots the 115 gr a little low (in my hands), so I shoot 124's and 147's. Groups well out to 15 yards. My eyes are fixed focus now, so I don't try past that distance - its a HD/carry for me, not a target pistol, so I don't worry about that.

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I say do whatever you’re comfortable with. For my own use, I don’t like manual safeties on carry guns. If one gun was all you ever carried, the habit of switching the safety off might work, but my revolvers and some autos have no safety, some safety’s go down for off, some up for off, etc. I just prefer no safety at all. Keep the gun in a good holster and it’s a non an issue.

Great responses above.
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Ditto.

Sig has really hit it out of the park with the P365 series. I started with a P365XL, because I wanted an optics platform to mimic my duty carry, that was compact enough for easy concealment.

I liked it so much, I bought a P365 to replace the Shield 9 I was carrying as an ankle gun. Between the two, I have just about every concealed carry need covered.

I opted for the version without the manual safety. Even though I'm a 40+ year 1911 shooter, my duty gun for the last 6 or 7 years has been an M&P fullsize so I elected to stay with like systems. Train with it and treat it like any other striker gun and you won't have an issue. Just don't carry it in a holster that doesn't cover the trigger guard, and have your wits about you when holstering.

I have a 365 that I recently installed a manual safety. Was incredibly easy to do.

It’s my carry gun and I agree with what others said, highly recommend training.

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Huuuuge fan of the 365 (though I went with the 365XL).

I recently got to carry and shoot a loaner 365 with the manual safety, and while I don't think I'm a safety convert, it's solid and easy to use. If you feel the need for a manual safety (and no reason anyone should feel judged on that, it is totally reasonable), go for it, it'll be fine. Congrats on looking at a really amazing carry gun.

I have been using my 365XL for about 9 months now. It is the best for my purposes.
I think it is the best thought out pistol of it’s kind at the moment. Shoots point of impact with 124 or 147gr bullets at 12 yards for me. 115 gr range loads are a little low.
Mine has a safety because I AIWB carry and… well, you know.
Don’t find the problem some people have with the safety, If you have carried a 1911’s just sweep it off on the draw. Would by another one, great handgun.
As the other gentleman have said, buy with confidence. If you don’t like it you can sell it for at least what you paid for it

I've carried a P365 (no manual safety version) 12+1 since February 2019. Great carry weapon that is accurate and reliable. Mine eats anything and it shoots like a bigger gun. Highly recommend it. You decide whether you want a manual safety or not...my vote is no safety, but it's not my call.

i knew i'd own a P365 but wanted one with safety. it was about a year after introducing the 365 that a 365 MS became available. i bought the first one i saw and shortly after bought a second one, with manual safety also. Sig really put it all together with these pistols and you won't go wrong regardless of your choice of safety/no safety. mine is carried in a Wright Predator OWB holster. also have a Vedder Pocket Locker for pocket carry.

Mine has a safety and it is no problem. You can easily and quickly move it on or off with your thumb. I really like it.

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When I obtained my 365 earlier this year, I went with the manual safety version. My rationale was two-fold. First, I've been shooting 1911s for almost 45 years, so I am accustomed to sweeping the safety down during the draw. Second, my decision was partially influenced by the problems encountered by the P320s. I realize that the 365 isn't a 320, but the design of the pistol and firing mechanisms are similar, so there are no guarantees that the 365 couldn't encounter a problem comparable to a 320.

For me, the presence of the manual safety provides an extra degree of reassurance that I shouldn't encounter an AD.

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I picked up a P365 with manual safety TacPac (includes 3 12 round magazines and a kydex holster that can be carried either IWB or OWB) about 3 weeks ago. I purchased a Q-Series Stealth holster (from Amazon) and have just started carrying it AIWB. The manual safety gives me that extra degree of comfort when the muzzle is pointed at some very important body parts, i.e., femoral artery. I did swap out one of the 12 round magazines for a 10 round magazine with the dealer. I find the 10 rounder conceals better with only a limited reduction of the grip. The manual safety works in the same manner as a 1911, HK, or CZ safety; there is a very noticeable, tactile feel when it is locked on safe or pushed off safe.

It's personal preference, but I prefer no manual safety. My carry revolvers, Glocks, and Sig P365 all work the same way.

A couple of years ago I had an AD in my home with a safety-less Ruger American. No big problems, other than a hole in my tv and my ears rang for days. Afterwards, no strikers without safeties. Also grew up with 1911's, so the swipe up/down is natural for me.

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The P365 (no manual safety) is my EDC of choice. I never liked CCW guns with safeties because in the heat of the moment all I want is a firearm that needs a pull of the trigger to use. Since I have never had to use it in a moment of desperation, one never knows that he/she will remember to disengage a manual safety - despite the training. That scenario has sadly happened before.

Most of my life I carried a 2" Chief's Special Revolver (no manual safety) and so that is what I am super familiar with. Some say that carrying a chamber loaded striker fired gun without a manual safety is dangerous, however it will never go off without puling the trigger! It is imperative to use a holster that always covers the trigger. If the trigger is covered and when pulled out if its holster it does not have your finger on it - it simply can't go off accidentally. Yes, striker fired pistols do have a lighter trigger than most Revolvers however that is why one needs to be totally familiar with what they are carrying. Guns don't shoot by themselves!

Added Note: The Sig P365 pistols that do have the manual safety are also subject to being accidentally switched off without knowledge - again, practice and familiarity is key with any firearm! I believe carrying a pistol with a manual safety unknowingly disengaged is probably more dangerous than a pistol with no manual safety.

I pocket carry a P365 with safety and one time found the safety disengaged when putting it away. Fortunately I always carry it in a "sticky" kydex sheath that covers the trigger, so no harm done. I would not carry any pistol without the trigger covered.

What a refreshing coherent logiical viewpoint. Definately a thread killer

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Exactly what I was saying above. A safety is sometimes a false sense of security and a liability if you can't or forget to flick it off in the heat of the moment. The Sig P365 does have two internal safety features and the gun will NOT fire by itself - ONLY when the trigger is pulled. If a proper holster is used and you don't put your finger on the trigger when deploying it - it can't go off by accident. It's all up to us! The sticky DeSantis Nemesis Pocket Holster is terrific for pocket carry IMHO! Fits all the needs and is cheap!

In contrast to all the happy P365 owners above, I had one with no safety and sold it. I know all about the internal safeties built into it, and I certainly admired the engineering behind it to get that much gun into that small of a package. Still, I just didn't feel comfortable with that light and crisp trigger. Just a personal thing, I guess.

I am accustomed to and quite happy with safeties on pistols and may revisit the design if I can find one with a safety. In the meantime, the P938 fills my needs.

I do not like a manual safety on the Sig P365. I have the standard model with no manual safety. The safety on these micro 9's is so small and thin it can be difficult to flick off in a hurry under pressure. It can also be deactivated by accident rendering the pistol back to a no safety situation.

Rather than a false sense of security and relying on a manual safety devise, I would strongly suggest that anyone who carries a striker fired, micro nine in any brand, learn how to safely shoot, carry and operate the pistol without a safety! The Sig P365 can not go off unless the trigger is pulled! There are several internal drop safety's and they do work well. Holstering this little pistol with a round on the Chamber takes practice and requires that attention to what you are doing be payed - simply no substitute! Hey, even a Glock or S&W with the trigger lever safety is not fool proof and can still go off unintentionally if improper holstering is done. There is no substutute for practice and awareness of what you are doing!

All I want to have to remember to do if I ever need to defend myself is to aim and pull the trigger. I do not want to have to remember and fumble with a manual safety at a moment of severe stress! YMMV.

Oh - and BTW...... EVEN if you buy any brand of pistol with a manual safety and choose not to use it in the safe position, that doesn't mean it can't be unintentionally flicked on!! That could be more dangerous to you as you wonder in a time of severe stress as to why your pistol isn't working!! Keep it simple and practice safety!

I don’t like a manual safety on a self defense weapon b/c at the moment of truth many forget to disengage it, I’ve witnessed this on the range many times. Unless you plan to train a great deal w/your gun’s safety I’d make sure to get a good holster covering the trigger guard & call it good.

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I have a P365 and I added the manual safety, but I didn't want it ambidextrous so I cut off the right-side lever. Works great!

Now I've swapped out the standard Micro slide assembly for an XL, sort of a "long slide" variation, and I love the way it shoots.

Great gun!

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Richard

where did you get the slide and barrel? approximate cost to do the conversion? uses same recoil spring?

thanks

I personally see no need for a safety on anything that isn't a single action carried cocked and locked. But some folks like the safety for the added illusion it creates I suppose. It's the in-between for those who carry with and empty chamber����‍♂️

My thinking is applying the safety on my P365 allows me to carry cocked and locked versus cocked and unlocked.

My opinion exactly. The safety plus/minus business is much ado about nothing.

What a farce! Some people have been carrying for decades and a safety is no illusion. All of my guns have one, except a revolver, unless they’re DAO weapons. People make mistakes. They’re not as supremely skilled as you must be, obviously. Mistake during routine gun handling is far more likely than some highly unlikely self defense encounter. Practice 5 minutes a day and it’s totally natural.

I will say that safeties should be more positive. Some are kind of mushy. The safety in the Ruger LC and SR series of guns was perfect. Very positive click and not to big or small. The Shield safety is nearly perfect. Nobody is accidentally engaging or disengaging that one. Just wish it was a hair wider. The big paddle safeties on the larger M&P’s are too wide. And I hate double sided safeties. With all the aftermarket options out there they should have a single sided safety for either right or left shooters.

No, the XL uses a different recoil spring.

I found a full unused upper assembly on FleaBay for $350; included slide w/ optics cover, barrel, and recoil spring/guide. That was the total cost.

Zero gunsmithing required; just slide off the old assembly and slide on the new one.

The guy has another one for sale; do a search if you're interested (moderators don't like when I post a link to stuff for sale; I've been called out twice for that ).

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Search your dealers for these models of a factory 10 round version:
365XL-9-BXR3-10
365XL-9-BXR3-MS-10
10 round standard, XL long slide.

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thanks for the feedback. i do appreciate

I have more CCW pistols than I need. Some have safeties and some don't. The XDs 45 I've been using lately does not. I would prefer that it did. My preference, for a number of reasons, is to have a safety, to use or not as I choose. I've been carrying concealed, mostly AIWB, for nearly 40 years. Of course I haven't always carried a semi-auto but mostly so since I bought my early 669 when they first came out. With the 669 I always used the safety to holster then disengaged it.

Safety, yes!

A Glock has no manual safety either! As long as your finger is on the trigger the easily activated middle trigger safety is activated and so the gun will fire. Same for the Sig P365. With or without the thin safety blade in the trigger, the gun WILL fire if your finger is on the trigger. There have been many AD's within the NYPD when they first issued the Glocks because Officer's were reholstering incorrectly, had their fingers in the trigger guard, etc. The NYPD's response was to increase the standard Glock pull weight from 5.5 lbs to 12.5 lbs. That was pretty bad since many could not shoot accurately with such a heavy trigger pull.

They have just recently gone back to a standard Glock trigger (as I understand) but there is absolutely no substitute for training and practice which the NYPD is IMHO negligent in from the info I have gotten from friends and neighbors who are active NYPD.

I have actually seen so called "experts" occasionally forget to flick the safety off on pistols that have them and that was not in a stressful life and death scenario! So to each his own, but as a guy who has for over 40 years carried a J Frame Revolver with no manual safety, it's just second nature for me not to have to remember to have to flick one off.

Bump, bump, bump.

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Richard

Why the bump?

I'm currently carrying a Hellcat with a safety.

Bought a 365 early on before they came out with the safety version. So far no holes in my legs.

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