20 Gauge: Defense?

I have a Shockwave 12 Gauge FDE propped up against my wall beside my bed inside a scabbard.



attachment.php




I thought about getting it in 20 Gauge, but unfortunately the 20 Gauge Shockwave only came in the standard blued finish and I wanted something more durable/weather resistant.

Besides, I figured that if the recoil proved to be unmanageable, then I could always load it up with some of those Mini Shells. Fortunately, that wasn't the case.



I have a 12 gauge shockwave as well as the 20 gauge. They fit nicely in a clarinet case. The 12 gauge mini shells are great fun. More companies are making them now.
47ad770244e71d4e1f73cf30a03f97a4.jpg



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Last edited:
I have a 12 gauge shockwave as well as the 20 gauge. They fit nicely in a clarinet case. The 12 gauge mini shells are great fun. More companies are making them now.
47ad770244e71d4e1f73cf30a03f97a4.jpg



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I need to get one of those Opsol Mini Shell Adaptors and a box of Federal Mini Shells.

Well, once I find a nearby range that will actually allow me to shoot them anyway. :(
 
I need to get one of those Opsol Mini Shell Adaptors and a box of Federal Mini Shells.



Well, once I find a nearby range that will actually allow me to shoot them anyway. :(



Highly recommended! Buy the adapter directly from the manufacturer. I understand there were inferior copies being sold on Amazon & eBay at one time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
I guess I will set my self up for ridicule. Sport shooting is one thing and self defense is another. 12 gauge rounds have been developed, tested, proven and accepted as THE round for self defense by American law enforcement and the U.S Military for over a hundred years and you should stay the course. Step up to the plate pal and come in for the big win. Choose low recoil 12 gauge if it suits you, but let’s not go to war with a silly weapon when we have better options.
 
I guess I will set my self up for ridicule. Sport shooting is one thing and self defense is another. 12 gauge rounds have been developed, tested, proven and accepted as THE round for self defense by American law enforcement and the U.S Military for over a hundred years and you should stay the course. Step up to the plate pal and come in for the big win. Choose low recoil 12 gauge if it suits you, but let’s not go to war with a silly weapon when we have better options.

Should Mas Ayoob stay the course, too?

I guess you know more about self defense than he does?
 
Twice with a .44 Magnum

Choose low recoil 12 gauge if it suits you, but let’s not go to war with a silly weapon when we have better options.

From the article in post 4 above—-“The standard 2¾” 20-gauge shell, not the more powerful 3″ Magnum 20-gauge load that Francis Sell popularized, will send five-eighths of an ounce of lead out of the muzzle at 1400 to 1600 feet per second depending on the load and barrel length you’ve chosen. If you use a single rifled slug projectile, it will be about .62 caliber in diameter. That translates, basically, to shooting the target twice with a .44 Magnum in the exact same instant.”
 
To develop confidence in a defense load you need to do some shooting with it. Against real targets. Paper punching won’t help. Go ventilate a 55 gallon drum. Or an old car door. A sheet of plywood. A sheet of sheet rock. A 2x6 board. See the result. Tough to find a place that will allow it I know. But that is what you need. Be sure to clean up the mess.

Yes the 20 is fine with the right loads. The same is true with the 12 and 16.
 
My understanding is that the 20 is just as powerful as the 12 ga. The only difference being the number of shot or weight of the slugs. Velocity between the gauges are about identical.
At distances involved inside a home there is not much difference downrange.
 
As I get older, 12 just doesn't appeal to me as much as it use to. I came into a 20 gauge 870 Express bird gun a few years ago. I promptly cut down the bird barrel to around 19" (had to line-up the rib), added a bead sight and +2 extender. It makes a nice light handy HD gun.

I've been wanting a shockwave or Remmy tac-14. I'll probably get it in 20 gauge.

And worse in the recoil dept. is probably my 16 gauge single shot. Not sure why? Maybe the lightweight of the gun.

8KXCdWt.jpg
 
I guess I will set my self up for ridicule. Sport shooting is one thing and self defense is another. 12 gauge rounds have been developed, tested, proven and accepted as THE round for self defense by American law enforcement and the U.S Military for over a hundred years and you should stay the course. Step up to the plate pal and come in for the big win. Choose low recoil 12 gauge if it suits you, but let’s not go to war with a silly weapon when we have better options.

We’re not LEO or military. At least not any more. By your logic, we should all use an M4 and a Sig P320. Right?

Law enforcement and the military have to be standardized. Civilians don’t.

I’m sure you’re joking right? You forgot the smiley face at the end of your post.
 
I was just telling our friend Walter Smitty on another forum that I have really gotten to be fond of the 20-ga for home defense. To the point where, if I had it to do over again, I'd never even start with the 12-bore for such purposes. Small folks can use the 20 just fine and it works on anything with which we're liable to have issues here at the freehold.



I picked up this Turk-made Weatherby for well under $200 from CDNN last year and I like it a lot for defensive use. My small wife can use it and isn't afraid of it, but I'm pretty sure that any bear or BG in the kitchen won't be able to tell the difference between a #3 Buck load from the 20 and a #4 Buck load from my heavier, more obnoxious 12-bore.
 
There seem to be a few misconceptions about shotguns in general, sub-gauges, and 20 gauge in particular.

Despite what you see in the movies & on TV, You need to aim (not the same type of aiming as a rifle) a shotgun. It has a pattern that most of the shot stays in. Just pointing it in any direction, say North, WILL NOT hit and kill everything in that direction! It also takes time for the pellets to reach the target, so you must lead a moving target, preferably by swinging the shotgun, not by stabbing the gun some number of inches (or feet) ahead of the target and pulling the trigger.

Despite what the troll said earlier, WWI shotgun ammo isn't like modern ammo! Yes, police and military use 12 gauge. But it is no longer All brass or paper hulls! It is no longer loaded with black powder or to BP pressures or velocities! If the Military wanted the biggest and the best, THINK 4 BORE, 4 ounces in every round! 10 gauge was a popular gauge back then too, why not 10? Because in that time frame, 10 gauge had no advantage over the 12 gauge of the day!

Subgauges, especially 20: There are more than one subgauge, currently there are 20, 28, & 410, with semi obsolete 24, 32, 9mm and 320 having all been made in the first half of the 20th Century. Mr. Ayoob made a small error (probably a misprint) about standard 20 gauge payload, it is not 5/8 ounce, that is the standard payload of 28 gauge. 20 gauge has a standard loading of 7/8 ounce at 1200 fps, some brands offer a 3/4 ounce load at faster speeds from 1250 to 1400 fps. And least of all is the 410. The standard 3" shell is 11/16 ounce at 1155 fps and the 2.5" shell is 1/2 ounce at 1200 fps. There are "Express" and specialty loadings in all gauges, but 1 ounce in 20 and 28 are pretty common. (one ounce of shot in a 410, just the shot column is almost 3.5 inches long! so no loads are available.)

20 gauge 7/8 ounce in field loads or target loads, will do anything a 12 gauge field load will do, WITH LESS RECOIL! I haven't bothered to shoot any of my 12 gauges in 4+ years, In the spring of 2018 I set a new personal best with a 20 gauge of 45/50 in Sporting clays, beating my old personal best of 44/50 that was done with a 20 gauge in 1999, yet I never bested it with a 12 gauge in around 750 to 1000 attempts! In fact, for the last 4 years I only shot the 20 gauge in that one 10 week league, and have been shooting 28 and 410 (2.5") exclusively! In reality my scores now rival my 12 gauge average with a 410! The point is IF it can be shot and killed with a 12 gauge, you can do it with any shotgun! So why do people use a 12 then or a 20 for that matter? the bigger amount of shot makes a slightly bigger pattern (and more dense too) with the same amount of choke. And that covers up for our poor shooting. In Fact; the great shooters that run a 200 bird Sporting Clay tournament with a 12 gauge, usually get 198 to 200 with a 28 and a 410! The key isn't to have lots of shot, it is to place the pellets you have intercepting the target, weather clay or game!

That being said, Do I want to defend my wife and home with a 410? Not really! But I know I could if I had too! After touting the exploits of the 410 and 28, 20 gauge is a easy payday waiting to happen!

The only thing stopping any person form shooting better than I do (which is very common!) is that you need to get out and shoot your gun! Last year I fired over 5000 410's and about 2800 28 gauge, in guns that I have been shooting since 2005 (when I bought them on close out!)

I own 3 O/U 20's, 2 SxS 20's, 1 semi auto and 3 combo guns. I was shooting 2 to 3 thousand rounds of 20 a year until 4 years ago. I went to the smaller gauges because shot reached $45 a 25 pound bag, and with 410 you get 800 rounds verses 400 with one ounce loads or 450 with 7/8 ounce. (in 1997 you could get a bag for less than $9 on sale!)

My wife knows and loves her 20 gauge, but I would rather use a M-1 Carbine in the house! My neighbors are more likely to survive an intruder in my condo!

Ivan
 
Last edited:
For most of my life I never owned a shotgun and decided a few years ago to pick up.

8Mdq3jp.jpg


We bought this Mossberg 590 and a couple of bulk ammo can 12 gauge 2.75" 00 buckshot from Federal, 400 rounds or so.

I like it fine, Wendy doesn't care as much but not because of recoil, the reach to pump it is too long for her to pump while holding it to her shoulder so she has to angle the gun upwards to really pump it.
 
Back
Top