New Python Recall?

500SNW said:
I was just watching this video earlier today. I don't know who to believe. According to Mr. Spitale everything is just peachy and Colt has had only like five revolvers returned. I hope for his sake, this is correct or else he's going to eat his words and maybe even find someone else replacing him as VP at Colt Mfg. But then I saw Hickok45's malfunction and there are a couple of other videos with similar problems. Note to manufacturers - if you are going to send a T&E gun to a guy with 4.71 million subscribers...you'd better make bloody sure that gun is absolutely perfect. Apparently, in this case they didn't.

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There have been at least 4 videos so far on YouTube from different channels. Even the video put out by Colt had an issue with the cylinder not turning but nobody caught it at first. Either every one of those guns Mr. Spitale is referring to were shown on YouTube (unlikely. Not everybody takes the time to make a video on YouTube), or Spitale is intentionally being misleading, or he’s uninformed as to the number that have been returned, which is also unacceptable since this was clearly a planned video to address the issue and he should have been prepared. I say he’s downplaying the number to save face. I’m not saying dozens or even hundreds have been returned, but it’s more than 5. I also fail to see how “poor ammo selection” can result in a cylinder not turning.
 
Hickok has a change of heart,???? Sounds very nervous?

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I've not handled any of the new Colts, but one question is nagging at me. Could we consider the new Colt Python to be nothing more than a King Cobra Target with a vented rib on the barrel? Looks like the same frame...and maybe the same innards? That would be a brilliant marketing move...just slap a vented rib on the barrel, call it a Python and add $4 or 500 to the price?
 
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500SNW said:
I've not handled any of the new Colts, but one question is nagging at me. Could we consider the new Colt Python to be nothing more than a King Cobra Target with a vented rib on the barrel? Looks like the same frame...and maybe the same innards? That would be a brilliant marketing move...just slap a vented rib on the barrel, call it a Python and add $4 or 500 to the price?
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Totally different gun. The Python is bigger, heavier, beefier. I don't have a King Cobra, but I do have a 2017 Cobra, and a 2020 Python. In size the Cobra is between a J and a K frame S&W. The Python is about the same size as a L-frame S&W.

I'm not smart enough to comment on the internals except to say it is my understanding they are different. The trigger on the Cobra is nice. The trigger on the Python is REALLY nice.
 
DWalt said:
It is astonishing that any manufacturer of about any item would release a new product (especially a high profile revolver like the Python) to the market without performing very thorough testing and exercising maximum quality control during manufacture. Yet it seems to happen. Look at Remington's botched introduction of the R51. I know nothing about what the problems with the new Python might be but it will be interesting to find out. From the items I have read, the only two mentioned have been light primer strikes and cylinder lockup problems (possibly more a shooter problem than a design problem), but only in a few cases. Additionally, there have been some cosmetic defects reported.
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Or a $30,000 car, or a multi million dollar airliner, etc.... I agree with one of the above posters, that people appear to be filled with glee that Colt is having problems. I have both S&W and Colt products. Let us not forget the multiple posts on this forum about machining marks, "chattering" in the rifling of S&W barrels, canted barrels, lock failures, loose barrels, etc. If you really want to save money, never buy a firearm from any company that has had even one faulty product sent out for sale. Don't care if they make one hundred a year, or one million. Since I have never found a firearms company that has accomplished that you will save a great deal of money since you will never buy a new gun. A lot of first production products have issues. When they get all the VERY MINOR kinks worked out on the new Python, I will be headed to my dealer to order a 6" version. Thus endeth my rant.
 
Failure for the cylinder to rotate is not a "minor kink." Cosmetic problems in a $1500 gun is unacceptable. I don't take delight in Colt's problems since I've owned a blue Python that didn't have cosmetic problems and so far as I know, never failed to rotate the cylinder. I owned an Official Police that was perfect, sold last year. And a long time ago, I had a Detective Special with the full handle.(Wish I still did.) I wish the reality of the new Pythons matched the very high price. I won't buy one, not because of the kinks, but because I don't need another .357 or any make. I'm certainly NOT brand loyal to S&W, although I own two .357s, older guns, and I am loyal to older guns.
 
Photog said:
Or a $30,000 car, or a multi million dollar airliner, etc.... I agree with one of the above posters, that people appear to be filled with glee that Colt is having problems. I have both S&W and Colt products. Let us not forget the multiple posts on this forum about machining marks, "chattering" in the rifling of S&W barrels, canted barrels, lock failures, loose barrels, etc. If you really want to save money, never buy a firearm from any company that has had even one faulty product sent out for sale. Don't care if they make one hundred a year, or one million. Since I have never found a firearms company that has accomplished that you will save a great deal of money since you will never buy a new gun. A lot of first production products have issues. When they get all the VERY MINOR kinks worked out on the new Python, I will be headed to my dealer to order a 6" version. Thus endeth my rant.
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I have no glee in these issues. Never really saw the hype about Pythons but always acknowledged they were a nice gun. Never saw the reason for the stupid high prices either. If you look back at the original Python sales, the Python cost more than the Model 19 but not twice the price.

My issue is the high MSRP to begin with on these new Pythons. They don’t have the mystique of the originals. I get dealers charging over MSRP since people are willing to pay that price, at least for now.

But there clearly is an issue with at least some of these guns and it is clear Colt is downplaying the issue. 5 have been sent back? Bull. Colt doesn’t want to admit they have an issue. For what they charge for these they should be issuing a recall for all guns shipped with an apology. They’ll probably make it right at some point, but own up to it already.
 
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Put the new Python debacle into context...
Imagine that, upon the introduction of the S&W Registered Magnum, it was discovered that they had major functional issues.
Would the customers of the day happily plunked down their $60 and then said, "Oh well, I'll just wait until they work the bugs out. Happens all the time."
No, it wouldn't have happened. Heads would have publicly rolled and the company in question may not have survived.

Ironically, when Colt offered the pre-war Shooting Master, if one was returned with any issue, the worker who put it together was required to fix it on his own time and his own dime!

How times have changed!
 
6string said:
Put the new Python debacle into context...
Imagine that, upon the introduction of the S&W Registered Magnum, it was discovered that they had major functional issues.
Would the customers of the day happily plunked down their $60 and then said, "Oh well, I'll just wait until they work the bugs out. Happens all the time."
No, it wouldn't have happened. Heads would have publicly rolled and the company in question may not have survived.

Ironically, when Colt offered the pre-war Shooting Master, if one was returned with any issue, the worker who put it together was required to fix it on his own time and his own dime!

How times have changed!
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It's now a fast-food world. More speed for more errors is acceptable to younger folks. If we took a poll, I bet 'age' and willingness to put up with these issues would be highly correlated.

I had every intention of ordering a 4.25", but I've re-thought it. I can buy a heckuva vintage S&W for $1,499+tax.

I'm glad you mentioned the Shooting Master. People don't realize the craftsmanship that went into that revolver. Also, it's built on a larger frame than any .357 Colt ever came out with afterward. If I'm wrong about that, please give me the details - I'm wrong quite frequently :)
 
oysterer said:
the gun is badly stacking for my taste...not good.
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CH4 said:
Hmm
I didn’t experience stacking with the two examples I shot/fondled. I sure appreciated the smooth, 7.25 pound DA. Felt better than a Smith with the strain screw backed out. :D
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I will concur with CH4. I handled a 6" while ordering my 4.25 a few weeks back and the action was incredible.

Short, smooth pull and then break.

Thanks, Karl
 
Say what you will about the original Colt action, however 54 years later my 1966 Trooper 357 still locks up tight and in perfect time. The DA trigger pull is just as smooth and manageable as any N or K frame I've ever owned. She's just a real joy to shoot. My only critique is on the trigger itself: Every Colt revolver I've ever owned, save for the 1911 Officier's Model Target, has had a narrow trigger with such sharp serrations that its uncomfortable to shoot for long periods. I rectified this on my Tropper this week by installing a NOS Ace Trigger Shoe since I'm shooting it more often. I wish that like S&W, Colt had offered a 0.5" target trigger as an option.

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Photog said:
I agree with one of the above posters, that people appear to be filled with glee that Colt is having problems.
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I can promise you that the hard core collectors out there who have many thousands of dollars invested in vintage Python are hoping and praying that this reissue of the Python fails. If it is successful it won't help the value of their collections. If it fails miserably, it will likely enhance the value and demand for their vintage "safe queens." We saw this with the sorry attempts to repeal the NFA and/or de-regulate suppressors. The collectors who invested heavily in Class III and had to go to all the paperwork trouble over the years...didn't want to see everything become cheaper and more easily available. As for me, I have zero interest in a Python...old or new...BUT I really want the Python to be a huge success and dominate the revolver market. WHY? Because maybe S&W will get of its +++ and start giving its malignantly loyal customer base what it really wants...a lockless for starters.:D
 
Puller said:
I don't get it, seems a lot of folks on all the gun forums are downright giddy that Colt might have a issue with the Python.
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6string said:
Sad to hear that Colt customer service is as bad as it consistently was the last I dealt with them......back in the 1980s!
The only customers they seem to care for are fat-cat gov't contracts.

Jim
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Jim's post is consistent with every Colt customer service post I've seen.

Get it now?
 
Send the python to China the people at norinco will clone it she will run like a Swiss watch. My first python was out of time, brand new so much for this new one. Time for a ruger or another s&w.

I do love my newer s&w revolvers now for sure.
 
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Delta Rose said:
All hyperbole, conjecture and Schadenfreude aside, all I want to know is the root cause of the reported failures, and what will be Colt’s response.
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Thanks, as one with a NeoPhython at the Blue Dome stable, I’d like to know, too.

Still waiting...
 
JayFramer,
I've been following this thread with interest. I'm truly sorry you got a gun with issues. I can surely understand your frustrations, and even justfiable anger. Still, I'm just hopeful your gun will be made right, and sometime soon you will be able to just look back at this as an unpleasant bump. I really hope Mr. Ed does right by this. I so want them to succeed, and I want you to love that gun!
 
Video of a guy`s new Python with a seriously bitched up rifling issue at the muzzle. He didnt even fire it before sending it back
 
You can't believe the amount of Bullcrap I've heard at Gun Stores, for the past 35 years!!

Is it true? I don't know.

I was told they have been shipping and selling out everywhere!!

The ones we tested last December worked GREAT!!

There's one being used on a daily basis by one of Gunsite's Instructors and it hasn't failed yet!!

On the value of the old Pythons?? Only the Shooter Grade Pythons will be affected, the NIB, Mint ones will remain just as high as they were. But the beaters will go down like a Brick tied to a Brick!! The old ones had great finish and craftsmanship, but I've seen their weak points too.

These new Pythons are NOT collector Items, they were never meant to be. They are shooters!! And they're very good at that!!

I have one coming, when I get it, I will do another review on it.

Y



misswired said:
Overheard the LGS call in a rush order for a new Python. The warehouse had 120 something Pythons in stock. When asked to rush ship one to the business....."We can't they all have to be returned to the factory!"

A brief search:

Are there problems with the 2020 Colt Python?

According to internet forums and YouTube personalities like Hikock 45, the new Colt Python has issues causing malfunctions. The main issues that are being reported on are cylinder lockup and light primer strikes. There are reports that hundreds of guns have been affected by these issues causing a quiet recall to take place on these 2020 Colt Pythons.


A quiet recall? What's the big secret:D
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