Bought A Sig P210!

squidsix · Feb 6, 2020

Just home from the range, where I put the new Sig P210 through its paces.
This one is the Standard version with a tritium and orange front Ameriglo sight, five magazines, and a second set of grips. Bought them yesterday using my NRA Instructor discount at the Sig Pro Shop.
I am not a Sig fanboy, but WOW this is a nice pistol!
I shot it and is tiny grandchild my P238 for a few hundred rounds each. What a wonderful range day!
Next I will attempt to fit a 3904 magazine to the 210 for an additional round, and get some good leather for it. I used a 1911 holster today and it was good enough, but not perfect.
All in all, this shoots my preferred 147 grain load better than any fancy pistol I have ever fired, and thats a lot of nice guns. I would argue that this American P210 is better made than the old Swiss ones, but dont get all bitter about that comment unless you have fired both. I have, and this one is better. (Sample size of one)

Sevens · Feb 6, 2020

I have not had the pleasure of firing either this new production one or ANY that preceded it but I've been a more than casual side observer quite interested in the P210 of all vintages for a while now. I will fight tooth and nail to resist any/all urges to get sucked in to a new and royally expensive wormhole of fascination and love.

Your bold statement will get you tarred and feathered in 103% of the places that you care to post it. I will NOT being doing any of the tarring nor feathering, because I've only handled this version, never handled any earlier, and have had the pleasure to shoot zero of them.

I am quite interested in what your preferred load is, as I'm always chasing the dream of getting my elite 9mm guns to act more like my elite .32, .38 and .45cal target guns.

I'm also interested in your (hopeful?) success at getting the 9-rd single stack S&W magazine to work.

jmace57 · Feb 6, 2020

That thing is gorgeous. It's at the top of my "MUST....RESIST..." list.

AManWearingAHat · Feb 6, 2020

Count me among the Tar and Feather group. The new P210, while nice, cannot hold a candle to the originals in terms of fit, finish, and workmanship. Yes I have handled both.

The designs are also different, the new P210 is a 210 in name only.

JayFramer · Feb 6, 2020

AManWearingAHat said:
Count me among the Tar and Feather group. The new P210, while nice, cannot hold a candle to the originals in terms of fit, finish, and workmanship. Yes I have handled both.

The designs are also different, the new P210 is a 210 in name only.

I couldn't agree more. The design is totally changed and the fit and finish are nowhere near as good on the new models. Not to say it's not a good gun, but it's not a real P210.

squidsix · Feb 6, 2020

Time will tell on the magazine.
As for now, the Sig follower and spring in the 3904 mag body does all the Things it needs to do. The cut to be made on the mag body will be a small bit of labor, and the mag will of course stick out of the grip somewhat.
My favorite load for 9mm target shooting is Federal 147 grain jacketed flat point. Its crazy accurate in my Berettas, S&Ws, and now this Sig.
Here are some pics comparing factory 210 mag, 3906 mag, and 39-2 mag.
The 39 magazine is very close in size and the follower for the sig fits right in and functions well assuming one holds the magazine in place in the frame.
I will cut a slot in the 3906 magazine for the sig frame and try it at the range next week.

jimmyj · Feb 6, 2020

Is the Sig Model 210 single action ?
The only one I have seen was many years ago and I was allow to observed but not to hold.

AManWearingAHat · Feb 6, 2020

jimmyj said:
Is the Sig Model 210 single action ?
The only one I have seen was many years ago and I was allow to observed but not to hold.

Yes they are. Both the originals and the new one.

squidsix · Feb 6, 2020

Yes single action cocked and locked 1911 style. In fact after 500 or so draws and reholsters, the Galco Combat Master 1911 holster I have been using is a better and better fit

Speedo2 · Feb 6, 2020

I also recently acquired a P210A target edition. I can't compare it to the German or Swiss processors, but so far I am very please with it's accuracy, fit and finish. For less than $1400, it seems to me to be a good value.

However, I did experience a failure of its recoil spring assembly after only around 200 rounds; the end nut separated. This has occurred on approximately 20% of the American P210's according to Sig Talk. Sig promptly sent a replacement RSA, but I also purchased (and installed) an aftermarket spring assembly from DPM, which appears to me to be a superior design. The gun can be made functional without the RSA end nut, but it was an unwelcome aggravation for a pistol in this price range. -S2

squidsix · Feb 6, 2020

They seem to have redesigned the recoil assembly. (I did order the Zahan unit but dont have it yet)
The new recoil guide rod is peened on the end vice threaded.

CH4 · Feb 6, 2020

It’s definitely not a 210, designation only. To preempt such discussions, they should have called it the 211. Still a nice gun, just not a 210.

surfgun · Feb 6, 2020

Maybe try to see if less expensive P-38 magazine can be adapted?

squidsix · Feb 6, 2020

I dont remember if the P-38 would get me another round?
I will check it out. At the moment, the only way to get the P210 magazine follower is by buying a 210 magazine. The goal here is to either a: find a way to eventually increase capacity to 10 for use in competition, or b: find an inexpensive way to get more magazines, or c: both.
Mags at the pro shop are $35.50 and they had five, so I bought five. This brings me to seven magazines, and for single stack guns I like to have at least 10, but preferable more.
I will keep looking of course, but I might have to bite the bullet and buy more from Sig at that price (which is lower than anywhere else I had seen them)
The GOOD NEWS is that the s&w single stack floorplates fit and work just fine, and the model 39/39-2 springs are identical in every way, and that gives a source of springs very easily.

sigp220.45 · Feb 6, 2020

Very nice! I’m glad its the equal to its overpriced predecessor!

6string · Feb 7, 2020

There is only one REAL SIG P210!

Nice pistol.
But, if you're going to come out of the gate by making the comparison, then it is only fair to respond in kind.

Have you tested it in a Ransom Rest?
Have you tested 10 of them in a Ransom Rest?

Consider;
"The original Neuhausen made SIG P210 is a different story! As a service sidearm it is unmatched for it's legendary accuracy.
As an example, units would receive a batch of 10 pistols. Each would be tested to meet the 50mm @ 50 meters standard for 10 shots.
But the real test was this: the armorer would disassemble each pistol, randomly mix the parts and fire an 8 shot group out of the machine rest. No sighting in. Each pistol was subsequently tested until a composite 80 shot group was fired. The expected result was an 80 shot 50 meter composite group not exceeding 80mm (if I recall, might have been 100mm).
That is what you call consistent hand fitted tolerances."

Above quote from an earlier post:
1.5" 10 round accuracy guarantee at 50 yards?

Really, they should have given it a different name. The design of the new one is more derivative of the SIG-Hämmerli P240.
Even the use of the name SIG is a misnomer.
SIG literally means:
Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft
In other words, Swiss Industrial Society.

At least the new "SIG" seems to be quality and functional product out of the box (something that seems to be hit or miss with the new Colt "Python").
Will it do as well after 100,000 rounds, as has been documented repeatedly with numerous original Swiss made P210s? Only time will tell....

Maybe the gun industry is bitten by the same bug as Hollywood, that is, an obsession with sequels???

It's really too bad. Marketing choices make it difficult to judge the product on its own merit.
Jim

Rock185 · Feb 7, 2020

squidsix, Sounds like you are already really enjoying your new pistol. Reference it being "better" than the Swiss guns, I knew that comment was going to draw some fire. FWIW, I don't think of the 210A as "better". I would say "different". I haven't tested 10 of anything in a Ransom Rest, or put 100.000 rounds through any one pistol of any kind. But at last count, since the '80s I have owned 4 Swiss, 3 German and 1 American 210. So I have some basis for comparison. While the Swiss guns hammer bite me badly, and I do not care for that heel type magazine release at all, the Swiss guns set the standard for quality. And I can report, that I have never encountered a more accurate or reliable pistol than the Swiss 210. The German versions differ, but the changes are a plus to me. A magazine release that is much easier to operate, and no more bloodshed from hammer bite. I've had a US manufactured 210A for about two years now. It is certainly nicely fitted and finished, and many will enjoy the new safety and slide release, but it's too early for us to know it's long term durability. Reports of the end of the recoil spring assembly breaking off certainly do not bode well, but hopefully this issue will be resolved, and soon. But maybe it won't....

Reference P210A fit and finish compared with Swiss 210s, fit of component parts, internal machine work, finish, trigger quality, etc. are all excellent on the my American version. And FWIW, slide/frame fit of my US gun is a bit closer than my Swiss 210.

Having had the opportunity to own Swiss, German and US examples, my favorite over time has become the German 210 Target version. But I still don't think the newer 210s are "better"/of higher quality, than the Swiss guns...

squidsix · Feb 7, 2020

Thanks for the comments folks!
It occurs to me that the correct statement I should have made is this:
“This pistol is better, for me, than the pistols that came before it with the same name that were quite different”.

I dont want a Sig 210, as previously designed. I agree they were finished beautifully, fitted perfectly, and incredibly accurate.

I dont like heel-mounted mag releases, frame mounted decocker levers, sharp rear sights, or hammer bite.

So I suppose I didnt want a sig P210. I wanted this pistol instead

Old_Cop · Feb 7, 2020

That's not a real Python...I mean P210.

Rule3 · Feb 7, 2020

There are always a few.

Same as all the folks that only "believe" in SW revolvers made way back when.
Either P210 will most probably out shoot any of them.

Regardless, NICE GUN

Bought A Sig P210!

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