THE 12 GAUGE

No doubt the 12ga is effective, and the 870 is well-proven.

My sentiments exactly. This is my Remington 870 Wingmaster with short barrel and Tru-Glo sights. Nothing fancy or extra except for a butt sleeve holding extra buck shot and slug loads.
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Nowadays...there are times I'd like to add an "old school" shotgun to my meager collection....maybe a short-barrel side-by-side coach gun like the Stoeger.
Couldn't agree with you more. Someone once said that the most terrifying sight a burglar can have is a scared, nervous woman at the top of the stairs pointing a sawed-off double-barreled shotgun at him.:D

The top one is an 1916 Ansley H. Fox Sterlingworth. The bottom is a CZ hammer coach gun. Both in 12 gauge.:)
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I cut off an 870 when I was a LEO like that. It kicked like hell, even with birdshot. My sheriff took it with him to New Orleans during Katrina and gave it to a sheriff down there.

Maybe it's because I had set my expectations too high based on what others have said about pistol grip shotguns or maybe it's because I'm a bodybuilder with ape arms, but the felt recoil of my Mossberg 590 Shockwave was far less than I had anticipated.

It doesn't hurt at all to shoot, but then again, the raptor grip doesn't transfer the recoil force into the palm/wrist as it does with a traditional vertical pistol grip, nor does it transfer it into the shoulder like a stock does, so it's just a jolt or a shove backwards which doesn't impact any part of your body, and both the foregrip and rear grip aren't aggressively checkered/textured, so it doesn't shred your hands up either.

Full disclosure, I have become something of a recoil junky over the years, but that being said, I honestly find the Shockwave fun to shoot. Don't get me wrong, I'm not using the term "recoil junky" as a euphemism for masochist either. The Shockwave isn't at all painful to shoot, just exciting because you can really feel the power when you pull the trigger, especially with some real defensive ammunition like Military Grade 00 Buck. The jolt of the recoil, the blast blowing your hair back, the muzzle flash coming out the barrel, the satisfying plume of smoke raising from the chamber as you eject the spent case, and obviously the results downrange. It's a level of excitement I haven't felt since my youth while riding fast roller coasters.
I haven't had the time, money, or the guts to shoot slugs out of it yet, but my gut tells me that they would likely tip the scales into painful/unfun territory, so I'm not in a hurry to try it.

It's even cooler with a laser. Both of mine have one. Crimson Trace LS-250 greenie on the 12 G, and the red laser I got as a rebate on that I put on the 20.

That does sound cool, but I'm afraid that a laser would either prevent it from fitting in the scabbard I use, or otherwise cause a snag on the draw, and although it is a fun gun for me, I also use it for Home Defense.

I'll most likely end up fitting mine with a fiber-optic/tritium front post sight next time they go on sale.
 
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1st trigger I ever pulled was my friend's husband's 12ga over under, at a Skeet range near Offut AFB where he was stationed. OMG, I was instantly hooked.
I still think busting clays is the most fun I have with a firearm, and at 7 bucks a box for ammo it's a bargain entertainment.

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I have owned and shot .12 gauge riot guns since I was 17, some of the current

Ex police Mossberg 500 marine



A 590 and another 500



Mossberg 500 SPX



Mossberg M500 bullpup



Ex Mississippi Highway Patrol Ithaca M37, serial number very close to the US Govt Vietnam contract



A Chinchester M97 Trenchgun



A Beretta M1301 Tactical



And there are a few others
 
If the whippersnappers could handle a 12 gauge they wouldn't be making all these plastic Fisher-Price guns.

My Dad carried a Parker double deer hunting up till his 80's. I still take her out at least once a year, and afterwards have a beer and toast Dad.
 
the felt recoil of my Mossberg 590 Shockwave was far less than I had anticipated.

It doesn't hurt at all to shoot, but then again, the raptor grip doesn't transfer the recoil force into the palm/wrist as it does with a traditional vertical pistol grip, nor does it transfer it into the shoulder like a stock does, so it's just a jolt or a shove backwards which doesn't impact any part of your body, and both the foregrip and rear grip aren't aggressively checkered/textured, so it doesn't shred your hands up either.

The recoil is very manageable in the Shockwaves. I have had strong side rotator cuff and back surgeries. I will take the Shockwave recoil over the traditional shoulder stock recoil anytime. With reduced recoil OO buck, it is almost a pleasure to shoot. I have four shotguns, but even put a Shockwave grip on my 18” rifle sighted 870.

That said, a Beretta 1301 is on my shortlist of future purchases.
 
That's the only reason I'd want a TAC-14.

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For me it was Corporal Dwayne Hicks from ALIENS. :o

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If the whippersnappers could handle a 12 gauge they wouldn't be making all these plastic Fisher-Price guns.

Except polymer framed pistols actually tend to recoil harder than steel-framed pistols because they're lighter in weight and polymer doesn't do much to absorb recoil forces.

Honestly, I'm no stranger to poking fun at young men these days for their effeminate choices in attire such as man-buns and leggings, (don't even get me started on the emasculating travesty that is manscaping) but their ain't nothin' wimpy about anybody who has the guts to take their safety seriously by choosing to carry a firearm for Self-Defense, especially in the modern day when the media does everything in its power to defame those who exercise their Second Amendment rights, and those Fisher Price pistols recoil a heck of a lot more than your very manly metal-framed pistols.

Just sayin'.
 
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I was 12 when my cousin handed me a light single shot 12 gauge and told me shoot that can. After my shoulder started working again I always liked shotguns. I have had a Winchester 1300 for the last 30 years and always have it loaded and close at hand in the house. Have owned several Mossbergs including a shockwave but still prefer the 1300. Never owned an 870 for whatever reason.
 
I am recoil sensitive. I hate it! I can shoot around moderate recoil on a rifle or a shotgun, but don't see any advantage that recoil offers. Recoil tolerance is certainly not a testosterone tester or a measure of manhood. I wish a 30-06 or a 12 gauge recoiled like a .22, then I would be a great shooter! :)

I'm rapidly approaching 75 YOA, and love all the modern technology that has kept firearms affordable and lighter for carrying around. I love plastic guns. Carried one in combat and never longed to tote a wood and steel M 14.

Steel is fine, but aside from appearance, offers little in advantage over composite. For example, my Star BM 9 posted below, blue steel, weighs 34 oz, loaded. My Sig 365 loaded with a couple more rounds, weighs 23. And both are accurate enough and fire the same cartridge.

How this applies to shotguns is a little premature, as most are made with traditional designs going back to the late 19th century, and nothing so far seems like it would be a good substitute for steel. And shotguns aren't all that heavy to begin with. But a whole lot of tactical shotguns have plastic stocks, so maybe the shift is happening, a little at a time. For stocks, it's cheaper and stronger than wood.

I'm sure they're great for home defense, possibly unsurpassed for that role, but outside the home, I think their practicality diminishes. Can't see carrying one for SD outside your home or property.

And I won't spend a lot of money for a home-only bedroom SD weapon, since I only spend about 8 hours there in my bedroom daily. I only paid $190 for my S&W pump, which is why I bought it.

However, to each his/her own, since self defense is a personal choice.
 
Pump actions are cool. But Joe Biden says you should have a double barreled model to shoot in the air to make burglars run away.
 
My personally owned/department approved 870 that rode "shotgun" in my patrol unit for about 18 years. Very comforting at 0200 when looking for a man with a gun in dark places. Loaded with six 00 in the tube and six 1 ounce slugs in the sidesaddle. Now in my safe, loaded and ready as always.
 

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