Sig P320 spontaneous discharges?

Greetings!

This post is prompted after viewing a lengthy YouTube post on "Guns and Gadgets".

Apparently there is a major lawsuit filed against Sig Sauer this month due to spontaneous discharges of holstered P320 pistols. It seems that the attorneys behind this suit have done their homework, and cited numerous spontaneous discharges spanning 2018 into 2020.

Has anyone here read anything about these discharges? Based on what I've read here, it seems that a number of forum members own a Sig P320. Are these discharges limited to just the curved trigger P320s, or is the entire P320 family plagued by this problem?

As always, thanks in advance for your help!

lrrifleman said:

Greetings!



This post is prompted after viewing a lengthy YouTube post on "Guns and Gadgets".



Apparently there is a major lawsuit filed against Sig Sauer this month due to spontaneous discharges of holstered P320 pistols. It seems that the attorneys behind this suit have done their homework, and cited numerous spontaneous discharges spanning 2018 into 2020.



Has anyone here read anything about these discharges? Based on what I've read here, it seems that a number of forum members own a Sig P320. Are these discharges limited to just the curved trigger P320s, or is the entire P320 family plagued by this problem?



As always, thanks in advance for your help!

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SIG has stated that they have remedied the situation, and if anyone were to have a recalled firearm, to immediately send it in to fix the situation right away.
But, as you know, there are procrastinators everywhere, and some haven't complied with the recall notice(s).
Unfortunately, there are ambulance chasers out there in the lawyer community who are looking to make a huge payday for thwmselves with these frivolous lawsuits.
Here's a joke for you:

What's the difference between a mosquito and a lawyer?

One's a bloodsucking parasite, and the other one is an insect!

Hawk

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I have an XCarry and a M17 I shot today. No issues whatsoever. I just put a Wilson Combat grip module on the Xcarry. A nice addition.

I can respect the reality that there are ambulance chasers in the world, however it seems that they have documented numerous spontaneous discharges from post-recall manufactured P320s!

Are you certain this is current info?

I’m a bit suspicious of people litigating an issue like this on Youtube, but at the same time there is absolutely NO mention to be found anywhere in either reality-based media or the gun forum- and blogosphere, which is usually all over this stuff if it’s real.

All articles and discussions I can find refer to the issue already litigated and addressed by Sig’s recall and settlements.

Do you have any links?

I don’t know if it’s true or not and I’d usually be on the other side of this, but if it IS true, I wouldn’t call that a frivolous law suit. That would be a serious defect.

Absalom said:

Are you certain this is current info?

I’m a bit suspicious of people litigating an issue like this on Youtube, but at the same time there is absolutely NO mention to be found anywhere in either reality-based media or the gun forum- and blogosphere, which is usually all over this stuff if it’s real.

All articles and discussions I can find refer to the issue already litigated and addressed by Sig’s recall and settlements.

Do you have any links?

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Articles supporting contention of another round of lawsuits:

NH man's lawsuit claims SIG Sauer pistol fired without trigger pull | Courts | unionleader.com

Lawsuit: Sig Sauer pistol fired without trigger pull | Local News | sentinelsource.com

https://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20200706/lawsuit-sig-sauer-pistol-fired-without-trigger-pull

Holstered P320s?

lrrifleman said:

Greetings!

This post is prompted after viewing a lengthy YouTube post on "Guns and Gadgets".

Apparently there is a major lawsuit filed against Sig Sauer this month due to spontaneous discharges of holstered P320 pistols. It seems that the attorneys behind this suit have done their homework, and cited numerous spontaneous discharges spanning 2018 into 2020.

Has anyone here read anything about these discharges? Based on what I've read here, it seems that a number of forum members own a Sig P320. Are these discharges limited to just the curved trigger P320s, or is the entire P320 family plagued by this problem?

As always, thanks in advance for your help!

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When you say "holstered P320s" do you mean while the P320 was being holstered or were they already holstered? I have a P320 that I sent back to sig because of the drop recall and I have not had any problems with it since it was returned. Of course, I did not have any problems with it before I sent it back to Sig either. If an accidental discharge occurred while holstering, this is a known problem with all striker fired pistols (which is why I only have one striker fired pistol, the one P320). If something gets wedged in the trigger guard, the pistol will go "bang". This could even be a part of the holster itself that is putting pressure on the trigger. I have not heard about any accidental discharges with a pistol that was already holstered and then it went "bang". I would be very interested in reading about these instances if there are any referenced articles or videos. Thank You.

pasote said:

When you say "holstered P320s" do you mean while the P320 was being holstered or were they already holstered?

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Based on the linked articles, it appears the guns in question fired while already holstered.

pasote said:

When you say "holstered P320s" do you mean while the P320 was being holstered or were they already holstered? I have a P320 that I sent back to sig because of the drop recall and I have not had any problems with it since it was returned. Of course, I did not have any problems with it before I sent it back to Sig either. If an accidental discharge occurred while holstering, this is a known problem with all striker fired pistols (which is why I only have one striker fired pistol, the one P320). If something gets wedged in the trigger guard, the pistol will go "bang". This could even be a part of the holster itself that is putting pressure on the trigger. I have not heard about any accidental discharges with a pistol that was already holstered and then it went "bang". I would be very interested in reading about these instances if there are any referenced articles or videos. Thank You.

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Based on what I have read and watched on yesterday's " Guns and Gadgets", these were discharges while the pistol was holstered. Many of these discharges occurred while there was some movement of the holster with the pistol IN THE HOLSTER! Apparently, there is supporting video of these pistols discharging while holstered.

The video from yesterday is worth watching!

Interesting. I was not aware of these incidents. If vibrations or movement caused the guns to discharge, they would have to not only release the striker, but also release the striker safety. If so, that is a serious design defect, even if it happens rarely.

FWIW, I don't really follow the 320 as it's not a pistol I have any interest in. Part of that reason is that it's basically a cocked-and-unlocked SA gun. IIRC, the striker is something like 98-99% cocked. Glocks and Kahrs, as far as I know, are only partially-cocked. And as far as I know, neither the Glock nor the Kahr has had issues like this. Well, M&Ps and XD's are also essentially SA striker-fired guns, but I haven't heard of any issues like this with them, either.

The problems with this model were well known and heavily discussed almost as soon as they came out. I saw a long discussion of a variety of problems (not reliable, not drop safe, and the discharging in holsters seems familiar but I did not read enough of the old posts to check for that). A friend was at the time a firearms training head at his agency in NC, and he had a couple very negative reports from peers - so bad that the first shipment of pistols were packed up and sent back at the end of the first day, and another brand ordered the next day. There are also very serious questions about the military testing process and whether or not it was manipulated to let Sig pass. The Sig did not pass the FBI process that resulted in the Gen 5 Glocks (which IIRC also had a problem when real cops got them. I think it was Indy PD), because the Sigs were not able to pass the portion of the test related to longevity.

I have had iffy QC with Sig, (a special order on which they screwed up so badly they must have hired a choreographer to do it, and which was so obvious the dealer sent it back on his own and then told me). I own a used 239, and it has been fine in limited use, but I would not buy a new Sig. Period.

I watched the youtube presentation also. It was long on examples but short on facts. Does vibration such as a violin set off the gun, like in a Miss Marple mystery? Cops are notoriously hard on equipment and the majority are not firearms proficient. I have had my differences with SIG, ironically with a 320 that went back for the "upgrade". I'm going to sit back and make some popcorn and see where this goes.

The first few of those I fondled in the LGS really shocked me with how light the trigger was. No way would I allow something like that to be a LEO duty-gun, if I had any sway in the matter. Then, the discharges when dropped. Since it had no trigger-safety dingus ala Glock, the trigger's OWN weight could move it under inertia to fire. As to what may be going on NOW, I don't know.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. This is the first that I have heard of this issue. I know many P320 owners and they haven't had any issues.

The lawyer involved has sued SIG before. My first thought in cases like this, is it's an anti-gun harassment law suit. But, it may be legit in this case.

Hawkeye3844 said:

Unfortunately, there are ambulance chasers out there in the lawyer community who are looking to make a huge payday for thwmselves with these frivolous lawsuits.
Here's a joke for you:

What's the difference between a mosquito and a lawyer?

One's a bloodsucking parasite, and the other one is an insect!

Hawk

Sent from my motorola one using Tapatalk

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Well bless your heart.
My experience over the years is that a frivolous law suit is one where the defendant gets tagged for a huge sum of money after a jury trial where they are judged by a jury of the unwashed selected with equal input from both sides. . Whereas from my perspective, a frivolous lawsuit is one that is total BS and that either I can't win or doesn't make economic sense to try. A good example would be the usual facebook defamation claims I get asked to prosecute every so often, I have to politely turn those down. Another example of a frivolous claim is one brought by an attorney and HE LOOSES but you don't heat the insurance companies trumpeting THOSE as frivolous suits now do you? Those are victories chortled over by the adjuster and his attorneys during the victory luncheons at Ruth's Chris they are billing to the client You like so many people have brought into that Frivolous lawsuit pablum fed so vociferously to the public by well funded insurance interests. If these SIG pistols are found to discharge while holstered, I hope that bust SIG big time for making an unsafe product. Period.
This from a blood sucking ambulance chasing bottom feeder attorney.
Have a nice day.

CAJUNLAWYER said:

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You like so many people have brought into that Frivolous lawsuit pablum fed so vociferously to the public by well funded insurance interests. If these SIG pistols are found to discharge while holstered, I hope that bust SIG big time for making an unsafe product. Period.
This from a blood sucking ambulance chasing bottom feeder attorney.
Have a nice day.

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Don’t take it personally. People hate lawyers until they feel wronged themselves. Then they expect you to sue everybody going back to Abraham and Moses and win millions in damages

Once again a small percentage can make the rest look bad.
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