"Out of stock" should have been the slogan for D&D.

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Amazing that the Bren Ten still has a following, and it is all due to a TV show. Boomer memories of a half century old TV show drive these sales. Without that media exposure, the Bren Ten would be a historical curiosity; it was a flash in the pan. Looked good, had a lot of very positive press. I still have a magazine issue on the introduction of the Bren Ten. The gunwriter had 200 rounds, wrote a long article absolutely praising the gun and the cartridge. The creation of the world was a small event compared to the introduction of the Bren Ten. He predicted a long future for the Bren Ten. At the time, never heard any negatives, or whiff's of production problems with the Bren Ten.

Forty years on, I can believe that Dornaus and Dixon were an under capitalized firm, probably living from gun sale to gun sale. The problem with Italian magazines not fitting production pistols is an example of a small shop not having on site Quality Control, probably they did not have face to face meetings with the sub contractor, may not have had a final drawing package. I can imagine the magazine manufacturer having an "as built" pistol to examine, and then the "as built" dimensions changing on the pistol production line!

Issues such as slide cracking indicate poor choices of slide materials, inadequate examination of slide stresses and heat treatment. These are all indications of a "wing and a prayer" development program. Having worked on "success orientated" programs, I can tell you, not having the time or money to research issues early, and then going forward with back of the envelope concepts, caused a lot of programs to fail. You see this all the time with Government programs.

Anyone looked at our Government mandated Green Energy transition? Typical example of a great concept that fails in the details. Originators who are "great visionaries", but lack the understanding of the logistics and development engineering that it takes to make "great leaps of faith" work, these individuals create expensive failures.

I am sure this is what happened with Dornaus and Dixon. Not having magazines to ship with their pistols was a clue that the company was not well managed, and was soon going to founder on the shoals.

As for owning one of the Bren Tens, if you shoot the thing and a part breaks, who is out there making replacements, and who is out there that can fit them? That is something a future buyer should think about.

I would imagine that it is an incredibly tiny percentage of Bren Ten owners today that would make a rational decision to shoot these pistols.

They simply trade for way too much money to make shooting a known problematic pistol a bright move.

Why would someone start up a business that could not deliver their product?
Very unprofessional.
I would not want anything to do with them.

Col. Jeff Cooper wasn't right all of the time. Just mostly. Nobody ever needed a Bren Ten. It's not ugly, it's just another decent looking, large pistol. Yawn.....

Not interested.....

And this is incorrect:

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I wonder how many actual viewers of Miami Vice had any idea what guns were being used? I’m betting most of those “boomers” watching the show weren’t gun people. I also wonder if not for the Bren would we have ever had the 10mm? It’s a great cartridge even though Sonny didn’t use it.

Dan

Loved the Miami Vice TV show back in the day! I’ve always wondered why reruns of the show weren’t done on cable TV. It was so popular, and shows of that type are shown constantly.
Larry

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I think a few cable/satellite channels did pick it up for syndication, but it did not last long. Maybe there is a particularly high syndication fee for Miami Vice?

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Hope, businesses are started on hope. The founders do want to deliver a product, they do want happy customers, they do want sales. The first year failure rate on small businesses is high, I see number from 50% to 87 %, depends on the study. Founders get over their heads financially, external factors blow holes in their budgets.

I am sure Dornaus and Dixon thought they had a real thing that was going to last. It did not.

With D&D, it was magazine availability. What good is a pistol that ships without magazines?

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There's no question the Bren 10 flopped. But it was a great idea alive and well in today's market. A host of polimar guns and 1911s in 10mm. And for me the Tanfoglio, the Witness is a nice carry gun and the full size guns are world class. I make no bones about it, I'm a big Tanfo fan boy.

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It sure seems that this pistol actually is cursed..

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The pistol IS cursed. The last guy who allegedly attempted to bring them back was a scam artist named Stuart Palmer with the Instagram handle @thevintage1911. He had multiple scams going and is now looking at 20 years for fraud after being charged by the FBI and indicted last month or so. Years before, he gave pistols to Chuck Warner for reference when Chuck attempted to resurrect the pistol for a small group of investors as a private project before ATF swooped for reasons I am kind of foggy on.

Honestly, that is probably the only chance now. Eric Kincel of VLTOR would still like to make it, but who knows when that will ever happen or why he has not attempted it again.

My guess is it has something to do with music royalties.

Miami Vice was picked up for syndication with NBC doing reruns from 94 to 98.

A very high percentage of startup business failures result from undercapitalization. Basically a failure to seriously anticipate and obtain enough funding to keep the lights on until the venture can generate enough income to sustain itself. It is evident D&D failed to do that by underestimating capital requirements.

Coolest gun ever made!!!

The last project was a greater disappointment than either Vltor or Warners...

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The only fault I can mention about my all steel Witness is its weight. I bought one out of my own pocket to use as a test bed for a USAF handgun ammunition development project. It has digested many very hot loads without ill effects. I gave some details of that program in a previous posting.

What is the status of Palmer's project?

I have heard he is in trouble with the law, what is that about?

I stated above earlier that he is a scam artist who had been indicted for fraud in relation to his Bren Ten resurrection scam but I will provide more info here. He was indicted for defrauding people to the approximate amount of $64,000 after being investigated by the FBI for almost a year or so. He also scammed people with a fraudulent Miami Vice 40th anniversary event and he scammed people out of Sig Challenge Coins. He ran a fraudulent webforum around 2019-2020 known as www.thevintage1911.com that took a ton of people for a gun raffle he never delivered on ,and made a member of the forum lie and said he received the weapon. He also had a Patreon for some detective fiction he probably never delivered on and has since been removed from.their website, though the link is still on his Instagram @thevintage1911. He also has a sketchy website where he allegedly sells "timeworn watches." Stuart Palmer is a snake and should avoided at all costs and shunned by everyone. He ****** over investors and Chuck Warner from.the previous project and countless. others.

Thanks for the information.

I had talked to Palmer early on in his venture and his business plan made no sense and I stayed away fortunately.

No problem. I was skeptical and thought he was kind of full of ****, but I was willing to risk a little bit of money on the off chance he actually managed to get a Bren Ten made, only because he was also an investor when Chuck Warner attempted it a few years prior. I found out on my own he was full of **** after contacting a vendor he allegedly contracted; they told me he hadn't ordered anything and the FBI called asking about him.

Some guys invested $10k, and that is wild to me. I never trusted him that much, and I was skeptical even of Warner's attempt, only because I know building a gun is pretty involved and he was mostly a gunsmith contracting out work, IIRC.

Hopefully a company like Tanfoglio or SAR will pull through for us someday if Kincel never does. The quality of SAR stuff is impressive as are the reviews.

Re: Miami Vice and the unavailable magazine issue, I recall back when buyers were frustrated about the dearth of mags, reading that in at least one episode of Vice, Sonny did a tactical reload, dumping his empty mag and moving on. Local Bren Ten owners apparently recognized the location and descended on the scene posthaste in a futile search for the "discarded" magazine. As unlikely as it sounds, I guess desperation can cause all kinds of weird behavior.

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I've heard of this legend before, it was years and years ago when I heard it. Have always been fascinated by this tale and just wish that it's true.

I would think Tanfoglio could easily produce a twin of the BT if that is what the market wants as they sort of already have one. But they may not see that as what the market wants.

I did not see the 2006 movie version of Miami Vice. But I checked and found a great many different guns appeared in supporting roles. None of them was anything like a BT.

A guy I am friends with has a decent following on Instagram and follows a lot of other firearm accounts who also follow him. When he gets back from vacation, I am going to suggest we get to work on doing market research on our own.

I've wasted 16 years of my life waiting since the VLTOR announcement in 2008. I want something to happen.

Sadly, it seems a very large contingent of gun owners have zero. nterest in collecting, and would rather own 47 different Glocks.

Anyway, here is some 1006 porn with the FBI grips that absolutely should have never been discontinued.

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I know your pain my friend. I've been looking for YEARS but no way I can afford one. I saw one on Gunbroker (perfect match to Sonny's) and I think it was going for 12k or some crazy number.

In the past I had a desire to be one of "The Guys" so I purchased two 10mm pistols (Glock 20 and Glock 29). Shot both and couldn't bring myself to replace my .45s. For what I wanted in a .45 I didn't consider the 10mm would replace.

Regarding the magazines, Patton was quoted as saying the semiauto requires 2 parts while a revolver needs only ammunition.

It depends upon where you are located. The 10mm, in full power form, not a reduced power or FBI load, is a great pistol caliber for rural areas where one might encounter wild boar or bears. For more urban areas where the dangerous animals walk on two legs, the 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP are excellent semi-auto calibers.

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