The Bren Ten Curse

koz5614 said:
Yes! I was emailing VLTOR when they were oh-so-close to bringing the gun to fruition back in 2008 as the “Fortis”. I will be on the waiting list when somebody finally produces it. I’m not giving up hope - hell, they started producing the AutoMag again. I’ve got an original one of those as well, but won’t order a new one until they start making it in .357AMP.

S&W Fan - I’ll be happy to snap some pics & post them.
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&$tor left a really bad taste in my mouth. The whole Bass Pro debacle was inexcusable. I just want a shootable Bren, not a shootable CZ, or Delta, or 1006 or any of the other choices.
 
JackM said:
Miami Vice didn't hurt, but it was Jeff Cooper who led the charge. He was instrumental in the gun's design and promoted it as the one and only handgun that could hold a candle to the 1911 as a defensive weapon. Just think, people bought the gun from a company that could only promise they would deliver the magazine later on. Jeff Cooper had quite a following.
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Met the man. Was a pompous alpha hotel that thought his **** didn't stink. That little emblem on the side of the gun reeks of Nazi Germany as does everything about him regarding the cap he wore and his admiration of the ways of Germany.
 
It's really unnerving when you look at something online, or even just discuss it in person without even going near the computer, and suddenly it starts popping up everywhere you look, like they've got the place bugged. On tonight's installment of "Gun Stories", they're re-running the episode about the Bren Ten....
 
Would I buy a remake? If it were in the $1000 ballpark, might go 12 or 13 hundred, but it wouldn’t be that cheap.

To many guns have scratched that itch since the 80’s. 1076,1066,1006,eaa/tanfolio, Delta’s…. even had a Glock 20.

The latest, my Kimber 1911 GFO matchII was less than $700, with supported chamber, ands it’s surprisingly accurate.
 
quikdraw67 said:
Miami Vice fun fact -

The Ferrari Spyders seen in the early episodes were actually C3 Corvettes modified to look like the Italian cars.
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Yep, and the production company was in the process of building another one for the show, but Ferrari was upset that they were using fake Ferraris and threatened legal action. As the deal goes, the fakes were to be destroyed, one being destroyed on camera in the second season episode "Irish Eyes Are Crying". That was the end of the fake Ferrari until the network aired episodes out of sequential order. Yes, the fake Daytona showed up after it was blown up.


For the third season, Ferrari supplied a pair of black Testarossas. The black Testarossas did not show up well in night filming nor did they handle well enough for the show's stunt driving. The two real Testarossas were repainted in white and a fake Testarossa built on a Pantera chassis was built for stunt scenes.
 
DWalt said:
I'd appreciate an opinion on these. I picked up the Bren Ten Owner's Manual and Product Catalog at a SHOT Show in, I think, 1983 or 1984. The Peregrine flyer came later, but I don't remember when or where I got it. As I earlier mentioned, the Owner's Manual is about as complete treatise as one could imagine on a handgun, basically a gunsmithing guide. The catalog goes into great detail about the specifications of the full BT product line of different models. I am curious as to whether these might have any significant value. They have been in my library of gun ephemera for a long time.
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Before the eager young Ethang manages to talk you into selling him that manual ( :) ), any chance you could scan it and make it available to us, maybe a PDF or just as pictures? I'm no more likely to own a Bren Ten than I am a flat-12 Testostarossa, but I'd love to add the manual to my collection.
 
krtlesfd said:
Before the eager young Ethang manages to talk you into selling him that manual ( :) ), any chance you could scan it and make it available to us, maybe a PDF or just as pictures? I'm no more likely to own a Bren Ten than I am a flat-12 Testostarossa, but I'd love to add the manual to my collection.
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What you did there... I see it... :)

really though I too would love a scan of that.
 
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krtlesfd said:
Before the eager young Ethang manages to talk you into selling him that manual ( :) ), any chance you could scan it and make it available to us, maybe a PDF or just as pictures? I'm no more likely to own a Bren Ten than I am a flat-12 Testostarossa, but I'd love to add the manual to my collection.
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Owners manual and catalog contents can be found here.
Dornaus & Dixon / Peregrine Industries Literature
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
Met the man. Was a pompous alpha hotel that thought his **** didn't stink. That little emblem on the side of the gun reeks of Nazi Germany as does everything about him regarding the cap he wore and his admiration of the ways of Germany.
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I have read that the original D&D concept was to design and manufacture the gun chambered in .45 ACP only. When Cooper was prevailed upon to lend some gravitas to the venture, he insisted that it must be chambered for 10mm (his brainchild), and so it came to be. It is alleged that it required a fair amount of redesign of the BT to make Cooper happy with it.
 
@ OP: If you like it, I hope you can find one at a price that works.

Sometimes just keeping an eye out and letting collectors you know that are friends about your wants (or rather need ;) ) can result in finding yours.

It is really easy now to go to auction sites and buy whatever, sometimes it is worth it, others maybe not so much.

Could you do a Google Alerts with this variant and 'for sale', for instance?

Good luck and hope you get what you're looking for.
 
DWalt said:
I have read that the original D&D concept was to design and manufacture the gun chambered in .45 ACP only. When Cooper was prevailed upon to lend some gravitas to the venture, he insisted that it must be chambered for 10mm (his brainchild), and so it came to be. It is alleged that it required a fair amount of redesign of the BT to make Cooper happy with it.
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I have done a lot of research on Bren Tens and I have never heard the 45 ACP/Jeff Cooper story before. They wanted to bring out a completely new Combat Firearm and were interested in what Cooper said about the new 40 caliber cartridge to out do the 45 ACP.

As far as the magazines go, MecGar did the original mags. D&D wanted to do both 10mm and 45 acp pistols and presented that to MecGar. MecGar said they could do one magazine that could do both cartridges. They built the prototypes and they worked fine so D&D gave them the contract and both companies went to work.

D&D started building 10mm guns. When the magaszines came in fron Italy, they would not work in D&D's 10mm pistols. So D&D had pistols to ship and no magazines to go with them. They would not pay MecGar and MecGar would not make them any new ones so D&D worked with another company to build them and you know the rest of the story.

D&D was esentially broke by the time the magazine mess was starting to get under control.
 
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