My new Phoenix Drake. Will this be the most accurate semi auto pistol?

If I could swing one of these, I would be very happy, but the most I've ever spent on a gun was for my Sig P226 SSE which I got right at the end for $995. The last few S&W classic revolvers were close to that much. But if some unexpected cash, enough to even come close, I would love a Redback.
 
Nice! You make the most of what your budget will allow.
Very top of mine will be an X-Five, just because I picked up an earlier P226S, and has been incredible; at some point I will make that step up to a new gun. I have been lucky to pick a number of very accurate guns on the used market for cheap.
 
I have a Phoenix Arms .22LR pistol - same company?

I guess if you're in love with busting caps of no particular kind from a 3 pound brick this is the gun for you. Ain't no way I would ever chose a 51 ounce monstrosity in 9mm to carry over - well, pretty much ANYTHING, but for sure and for certain no over my humble Glock 19 at less than HALF the weight and 1/10th the price! YOWZA!
 
I have a Phoenix Arms .22LR pistol - same company?

No.

I guess if you're in love with busting caps of no particular kind from a 3 pound brick this is the gun for you. Ain't no way I would ever chose a 51 ounce monstrosity in 9mm to carry over - well, pretty much ANYTHING, but for sure and for certain no over my humble Glock 19 at less than HALF the weight and 1/10th the price! YOWZA!

You know, the Phoenix Drake is not a carry gun, neither are the many large frame, even heavier and more unwieldy S&W revolvers many of us love. But should we look down on them and make fun of them because they are larger, heavier and more expensive than a G19? Maybe there is just more to firearms than being inexpensive, lightweight and easy to conceal. Some weird person may take much pleasure in old, outdated revolvers with beautiful bulky wood grips. Some other odd guy may spend way too much time obsessing about precision shooting with a handgun. Another one cares a lot about power, maybe to protect themselves from large predators. Some are really interested in very small firearms that can be carried in the smallest of pockets. And quite a few are interested in high capacity pistols shooting really fast and with uttermost precision, so much so that they invented all kinds of competitions and such.

My point is: Why knock on this beautiful precision sports pistol from a very small manufacturer trying to produce firearms of the highest quality with very limited resources, presented here in the "Other Brands" forum for everybody to enjoy? Maybe you could start a G19 appreciation thread instead. Many own and like the G19, for good reason, that gun has a lot going for it, it earned its place in the history of firearms. I don't own a G19, but I'll like every picture of one posted in your thread.
 
I would argue the opposite. The older we get, the less we should waste our time with things of limited value. What will the 10th inexpensive CZ75 clone bring to one's life? Buy a really nice one instead and enjoy the beauty and perfection, you're not missing anything by not having a dozen cheap ones.

"Waste our time with things of limited value"???

There is no better value in a firearm than being able to protect ones family and property and not spending $5k to do it. There's also a great pleasure in preserving the firearms of our past and still be able to shoot them whenever and wherever. Quality is in the eye of the beholder and I've yet to see any article that can define at what price range quality begins. I can certainly afford the Phoenix Drake but it wouldn't make me a better shooter.

No doubt it's a quality made firearm but for the average shooter it's more show and tell.
 
You know, the Phoenix Drake is not a carry gun, neither are the many large frame, even heavier and more unwieldy S&W revolvers many of us love. But should we look down on them and make fun of them because they are larger, heavier and more expensive than a G19? Maybe there is just more to firearms than being inexpensive, lightweight and easy to conceal. Some weird person may take much pleasure in old, outdated revolvers with beautiful bulky wood grips. Some other odd guy may spend way too much time obsessing about precision shooting with a handgun. Another one cares a lot about power, maybe to protect themselves from large predators. Some are really interested in very small firearms that can be carried in the smallest of pockets. And quite a few are interested in high capacity pistols shooting really fast and with uttermost precision, so much so that they invented all kinds of competitions and such.

My point is: Why knock on this beautiful precision sports pistol from a very small manufacturer trying to produce firearms of the highest quality with very limited resources, presented here in the "Other Brands" forum for everybody to enjoy? Maybe you could start a G19 appreciation thread instead. Many own and like the G19, for good reason, that gun has a lot going for it, it earned its place in the history of firearms. I don't own a G19, but I'll like every picture of one posted in your thread.

You've made my point in your first paragraph. You describe it as a precision sport pistol which the OP doesn't say which tells me the company is selling to a small fraction of gun owners. We like our firearms and don't limit ourselves to any one brand or style.

Some will want to buy the gun. Others show their appreciation for a work of art and give a "like". As for myself, it has no purpose in my life and I'll leave it at that.
 
The Phoenix is made by a company owned by the same guy who owned the company that made the Sphinx pistols. CZ75 clone.
 
There is no better value in a firearm than being able to protect ones family and property and not spending $5k to do it.

If protecting family and property at the lowest possible cost is the only thing of interest, then we shouldn't waste our time with revolvers.

There's also a great pleasure in preserving the firearms of our past and still be able to shoot them whenever and wherever.

So there is more to firearms than protecting your family and property after all?

Quality is in the eye of the beholder ...

The saying goes "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", because beauty is really hard to define, it's very subjective. Quality on the other hand can be measured by all kinds of means, that's why there are things like "quality management" and "quality assurance".

... and I've yet to see any article that can define at what price range quality begins.

Quality doesn't "begin" somewhere, everything is of a certain quality, even if it's very poor quality.

I can certainly afford the Phoenix Drake but it wouldn't make me a better shooter.

What has the price of bread to do with holes in a piece of paper? While a high precision firearm such as the Drake may actually be helpful when trying to improve your shooting, that aspect is most certainly not its main selling point. Will a beautiful vintage Python or a perfectly preserved registered Magnum make you a better shooter? I don't think they will make me a better shooter, but I still want one of each!

No doubt it's a quality made firearm but for the average shooter it's more show and tell.

I'll just go ahead and admit it: I like show and tell, it's a big part of why I'm on this forum. I've seen and read about sooooo many beautiful new and old revolvers and other firearms here. I know that it won't help me protect my family and my property, I simply enjoy it. Please don't discourage bc1023 from "showing and telling" about his extraordinary collection on this forum. He's on other forums where he gets the well deserved positive feedback. Sometimes I wonder why he still bothers to post here.

You describe it as a precision sport pistol which the OP doesn't say which tells me the company is selling to a small fraction of gun owners.

An extremely small fraction, they simply can't make many pistols, it's a very small operation.

We like our firearms and don't limit ourselves to any one brand or style.

Exactly! But what's your point then?
 
I have a Phoenix Arms .22LR pistol - same company?

I guess if you're in love with busting caps of no particular kind from a 3 pound brick this is the gun for you. Ain't no way I would ever chose a 51 ounce monstrosity in 9mm to carry over - well, pretty much ANYTHING, but for sure and for certain no over my humble Glock 19 at less than HALF the weight and 1/10th the price! YOWZA!

It’s not a carry gun.
 
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Nah, I’m good with S&W and I’d rather help support the forum.

Lol ok. Good for you.

Well I’m fortunate enough to own tens of thousands worth of the finest S&W handguns ever built. I enjoy them just as much if that makes you feel a little better. :rolleyes:
 
"Waste our time with things of limited value"???

There is no better value in a firearm than being able to protect ones family and property and not spending $5k to do it. There's also a great pleasure in preserving the firearms of our past and still be able to shoot them whenever and wherever. Quality is in the eye of the beholder and I've yet to see any article that can define at what price range quality begins. I can certainly afford the Phoenix Drake but it wouldn't make me a better shooter.

No doubt it's a quality made firearm but for the average shooter it's more show and tell.

It’s not show and tell to me. I just shot a local match with it last month. The gun is awesome.
 
Will this be the most accurate semi auto pistol?
one would hope....

It’s not expensive in the world of top competition pistols. I own quite a few that cost more, so price alone doesn’t guarantee anything.
 
The Phoenix is made by a company owned by the same guy who owned the company that made the Sphinx pistols. CZ75 clone.

That’s the short answer, but basically correct.

They use the CZ design, which is one of the best designs in all of handgunning. The Phoenix guns are three pieces though, much like a 2011.
 
I'm glad you found what works well for you - very important you feel comfortable with a target pistol.

For me it's my 45acp Colt Gold Cup National Match, series 70 made in the mid 1970's. It is my most shot firearm that I own. I shoot it better than any gun I own or have ever shot and I would use that gun with its standard factory iron sights to compete anytime. I just feel so comfortable with it and even after shooting tens and tens of thousands of rounds through it, it still delivers quite small one hole groups at 50 feet all day long.

If you have found "YOUR PISTOL" then good for you - shoot it well!!
 
Interesting...
Based on the OP's statements about his recent purchase, I'm betting there is no connection to the Phoenix Arms company who makes the HP22 and HP25.
Ain't it grand that we have such a wide variety of firearms to choose from?
AMERICA - to each his own... :D
 
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