WW2 pistol CZ 27

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..I had 3 uncles in WW2 and 3, plus my father, in Korea...one from WW2 brought home a bunch of memorabilia, including one of the most sought after items = Knight's Crosses
...here is a CZ 27...the Germans took over Czechoslovakia and used their arms plants.....it is in great condition..it is really ''tiny'' and slim
--pic 3 has the German proof eagle
--pic 4 has the German waffenamt ..the Germans kept great records and marked many items ...the waffenamt was the mark to id the item ...this waffenamt is WA 76
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Harmonica said:
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..I'm no expert, but I thought the Czechs made some good firearms
what's your opinion on them?
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The Czechs make/made some great stuff. The CZ27 is not top of my list, the Model 24 pistol is my favorite because of its rotating barrel system.

Your example looks in excellent condition from the outside. How are the bore and breechface? If it has not been shot much, the recoil spring may still be pretty stiff. European guns in 32 ACP/7.65x17 typically prefer ammo at the hotter end of the scale. I run Fiocchi in mine.
 
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Harmonica said:
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..I'm no expert, but I thought the Czechs made some good firearms

what's your opinion on them?
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I agree. I love them, especially compared to newer polymer guns.

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Beautiful CZ-27. Nice early finish.
Careful with those grips, they crack and chip easily. Some kind of early plastic

My Dad brought a CZ27 home from WW2 as well.
A later production pistol with the rougher machined surfaces and a phosphate (?) type finish on it.

A holster and xtra mag was all I could salvage from it as he destroyed it along with a P38 one day.

WaA76 was the German Inspection Code assigned to the Czech Arms facility.

I obtained a box of parts for one of these early in my FFL 'gun' career. Missing the frame, I was able to get that valuable necessity from Sarco in NJ for something like $12.
I assembled my P27. Looked pretty good. Seemed to manually function OK, Fed, chambered and ejected live rounds OK.

When I went to fire it the first time I found it fired Full Auto,,,really fast F/Auto.

So not to make the range trip a bust, I ran through the box of old 32acp I had brought anyway. That didn't take long.
Back home, the gun apart, it was the disconnector that had been worked over that was the faulty part.
I repaired it and back to Semi-Auto it went.
I had that pistol for quite a while too.

I know have a CZ-45.
A DA only 25acp mouse pistol.
 
That's an extremely nice, early ČZ vz. 27. I have some WWII era ČZ's also, including the vz.38 (top) & vz.24 (bottom). The vz.38's serial number places it in the initial batch of 41,000 that was completed in 1939 ostensibly for the Czechoslovakian army but which almost certainly ended up diverted to Nazi use. The unserialed variant of the vz.24 shown is reputed to have been assembled from existing parts in the ČZ factory and delivered to the Waffen-SS (it's German proofed, but not Waffenamt stamped). I doubt that story could ever be verified, and in fact seems to me improbable.
 

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I have one, GI bringback, no papers, has the Waa mark, the rougher finish. Ergonomics poor, built like a tank, shoots well.
 
LVSteve said:
The Czechs make/made some great stuff. The CZ27 is not top of my list, the Model 24 pistol is my favorite because of its rotating barrel system.

Your example looks in excellent condition from the outside. How are the bore and breechface? If it has not been shot much, the recoil spring may still be pretty stiff. European guns in 32 ACP/7.65x17 typically prefer ammo at the hotter end of the scale. I run Fiocchi in mine.
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....well, I got out of the USMC 32 years ago, and I just bought my first pistol a couple of weeks ago...so, I've never really been ''serious'' about firearms, --so I never took the CZ apart--and I did not want to ''mess'' with it too much, or shoot it -because I wanted to keep it in the same condition .....
..I've been reading and researching WW2 since I was about 15, so all of the stuff my uncle brought back was like a '''dream come true for me'''
...more reasons I've never bought a firearm until now, is I had 2 kids, and put them through private schools, etc = $$$..I'm conservative with my $$$
..plus I grew up in a ''bad''' neighborhood, and we never had firearms, my family was poor....so, we had a dog and never ''needed one''
ok--so much for my personal life hahahah..just trying to explain why I never took the CZ apart,etc
 
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2152hq said:
Beautiful CZ-27. Nice early finish.
Careful with those grips, they crack and chip easily. Some kind of early plastic

My Dad brought a CZ27 home from WW2 as well.
A later production pistol with the rougher machined surfaces and a phosphate (?) type finish on it.

A holster and xtra mag was all I could salvage from it as he destroyed it along with a P38 one day.

WaA76 was the German Inspection Code assigned to the Czech Arms facility.

I obtained a box of parts for one of these early in my FFL 'gun' career. Missing the frame, I was able to get that valuable necessity from Sarco in NJ for something like $12.
I assembled my P27. Looked pretty good. Seemed to manually function OK, Fed, chambered and ejected live rounds OK.

When I went to fire it the first time I found it fired Full Auto,,,really fast F/Auto.

So not to make the range trip a bust, I ran through the box of old 32acp I had brought anyway. That didn't take long.
Back home, the gun apart, it was the disconnector that had been worked over that was the faulty part.
I repaired it and back to Semi-Auto it went.
I had that pistol for quite a while too.

I know have a CZ-45.
A DA only 25acp mouse pistol.
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you know your pistols because when I researched the 27 [ about 6 years ago, when I got it ] they did have a lot about the grips cracking [ IIRC ]
..I never found an ''exact'' date of manufacture, but I remember researching and seeing a group of production dates maybe putting this one around 1943 or 44
 
Goony said:
That is an extremely nice, early ČZ vz. 27. I have some WWII era ČZ's also, including the vz.38 (top) & vz.24 (bottom). The vz.38's serial number places it in the initial batch of 41,000 that was completed in 1939 ostensibly for the Czechoslovakian army but almost certainly ended up diverted to Nazi use. The unserialed variant of the vz.24 shown is reputed to have been assembled from existing parts in the ČZ factory and delivered for service with the Waffen-SS (it is German proofed, but not Waffenamt stamped). I doubt that story could ever be verified, and in fact seems to me improbable.
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..I just posted that it might be 1943 or 44...I was researching serial number manufacture dates for it and saw ''groups''' of the serial numbers ..that was about 6 years ago when I was researching all of the WW2 stuff
...your 38 looks like a ''simple''type of engineering...not that that is bad....sometimes ''simple'' is reliable....
 
BLACKHAWKNJ said:
I have one, GI bringback, no papers, has the Waa mark, the rougher finish. Ergonomics poor, built like a tank, shoots well.
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..like I said, it's ''tiny''
but, as I've read before, a mediocre weapon in trained motivated hands is better than a great weapon in untrained, unmotivated hands
 
Great guns and built like tanks. Hard to break the CZs.
The first CZ 27 I encountered was given to me by a fellow who was remodeling a vacant home in Detroit and found it stuffed in a wall, most likely dropped in there during a raid and long forgotten. The gun came back "clear-no record" so it was never registered by the vet who brought it back.
One whole side was heavy rust, so I took off the grips and soaked it in a bucket of Ed's Red for about a week. Broke it down, cleaned and oiled it, and it never misfired. I no longer have that one, but do have several others along with CZ 24s (predecessor in 380 cal) and some CZ Duos.
They were brought home by some brave men who fought hard for our freedom.
 
Had a CZ 27 for awhile. A somewhat complex design. Beware of late war models that have a stamped firing pin retainer rather than the original solid steel one. The sheet metal retainer can crack and send the firing pin rearward. I shot it a bit and passed it on.
 
LVSteve said:
The Czechs make/made some great stuff. The CZ27 is not top of my list, the Model 24 pistol is my favorite because of its rotating barrel system.

Your example looks in excellent condition from the outside. How are the bore and breechface? If it has not been shot much, the recoil spring may still be pretty stiff. European guns in 32 ACP/7.65x17 typically prefer ammo at the hotter end of the scale. I run Fiocchi in mine.
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thanks --your post made me hit myself in the head!! and think ''I should've cleaned, etc this'' !! so I just did --disassembled and did a quick cleaning and lube ..everything looks in great condition inside
 
CZ slide are serial numbered to their receivers. I bought 2 spare slides, wonder where their frames went.
 
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