RUGER MARK 4 TARGET PISTOL - AN OPINION

I get your point, but considering how well you shot it would a better trigger really improve your score much? I mean the X ring is .90 inches. Not sure I'd change a thing.

Might help her though.
 
Have 2 of the newer Mark IV targets with threaded barrels, and agree with the op assessment. However the 4.4 incher (tacticool) with threaded barrel version had a noticeably better trigger than 5.5 incher.

And while am not fond of really really light triggers, a clean breaking tigger is very beneficial for my non-exspurt status.
 
I started shooting bullseye pistol matches with a Ruger MKI back in the early 70's. I still think that they are great starter pistols for serious competition. They couldn't sell for their price point with a trigger job. That can be easily rectified. Clark Custom does magic with Rugers.
 
I started shooting bullseye pistol matches with a Ruger MKI back in the early 70's. I still think that they are great starter pistols for serious competition. They couldn't sell for their price point with a trigger job. That can be easily rectified. Clark Custom does magic with Rugers.

Mike, I think that Ruger could make the trigger 60% to 75% better with nothing more than a lighter spring and would cost them virtually nothing extra since they need to put a spring in anyway. A spring alone might not be a substitute for the Volquartsen accuracy kit but it would be a vast improvement over what currently comes out of the box now. While I have not yet measured the trigger pull on her pistol, I'd venture to say it is between 4.75 - 5.25 pounds. IMHO a "target pistol" should be between 2.25 - 3 pounds and crisp with no creep.

I also agree that their standard model which is not sold as a target grade model might be acceptable with that kind of trigger pull, but a pistol that is engraved and sold as a target pistol should at least have a trigger worthy of that name.

If I owned Ruger, I would offer a Volquartsen kit already installed in the pistol and charge let's say $100 bucks more for it. Volquartsen wouldn't charge them anywheres near the same for thousands of them as they do us for just one. This way it's a winner right out of the box.

IMHO Ruger does this for two reasons. To your point, they save a few penny's but the main reason is more than likely for liability issues. This way someone converting it to a target grade trigger has the liability on Volquartsen and themselves as the owner. If they continue to do this, I would suggest they stop roll marking the barrel "Target Pistol"!

I'd venture to say not many people use a Ruger Mark 4 .22 pistol for CCW, EDC or SD /HD purposes and so the only place these 22's are actually loaded is when on a Range. There is probably little risk in making the trigger "target worthy" and as all of us know, no matter what the trigger pull is (light or heavy) there will always be some Bozo who does something stupid. Like they say in Forest Gump, "you can't fix stupid" no matter how light, heavy or creepy a trigger is. Again, keep the regular production trigger on their standard models - but at least give the marked Target Pistols a descent one.
 
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I bought a Ruger Mk IV a few months ago and haven't really put it through it's paces yet, maybe 50 rounds? I made the mistake of buying a cheap red dot and it stinks!! I knew better, going to have to get an upgrade and try again.

I've always liked the Ruger 22 semi-autos. I've shot many back through the years and they've always been pretty accurate.

I do definitely agree the new Ruger's have horrible factory triggers. I'm going to upgrade that as well.
 
I have a MK 4 22/45 I for $299 (plus $40 for FFL transfer paper) right before prices went crazy. I installed the same trigger you did and the difference is amazing. I also have an old High Standard target pistol that I inherited and it has the best trigger of any pistol I've every shot.
 
The Mark III was a HUGE mistake - too laden down with useless doo-dads and a real (rhymes with witch) to field strip and re-assemble without outbursts of language not suitable for children.

The Mark IV was a needed relief from the Mark III's silliness. I love the new takedown system; it's accurate, and although the trigger isn't the best, the gunsmithing to fix it is easy.

I think the Mark II Government model was the best for accuracy, but the Mark IV comes close. I like it!

John



 
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I have many 22lr pistols, several Ruger MK I and MK II Along with a SW 41.

I do not compete but my go to pistol is the MKII SS bull barrel Best 22 ever!:) (for the price)

Even though I am selling my guns, that one will never go!:)

Many people complain about the SW Victory, but mine is excellent for all around shooting. No issues at all,
 
I have many 22lr pistols, several Ruger MK I and MK II Along with a SW 41.

I do not compete but my go to pistol is the MKII SS bull barrel Best 22 ever!:) (for the price)

Even though I am selling my guns, that one will never go!:)

Many people complain about the SW Victory, but mine is excellent for all around shooting. No issues at all,

For its intended purpose and price point, the S&W Victory is OK may very well fit the bill for some. You will need large "paws" and a strong forearm if you are a woman. It is relatively accurate but for a target pistol I don't really care for the green dot sights - but that is a personal preference. While it is no big deal, I don't care much for the way it takes down either. I think of the Victory as more of a do everything plinker at an affordable price.
 
FWIW: If trying to save a little money, I’ve found that the Volquartsen sear is really the magic part. You can buy and install that alone and have much better trigger.

Yes ...the sear is really all that's needed . You don't really need the entire kit at least in the MK II and III models . I'm not sure if the sear for the MK IV is available separately though.
My one MK II has both the VQ sear and adjustable target trigger and the other just has the VQ sear installed. The target model MK II's come from the factory with an over travel screw already installed so I decided to stick with the OEM trigger on that one model.
Trigger pulls on both are very nice , light and crisp.
 
Mike, I think that Ruger could make the trigger 60% to 75% better with nothing more than a lighter spring and would cost them virtually nothing extra since they need to put a spring in anyway. A spring alone might not be a substitute for the Volquartsen accuracy kit but it would be a vast improvement over what currently comes out of the box now. While I have not yet measured the trigger pull on her pistol, I'd venture to say it is between 4.75 - 5.25 pounds. IMHO a "target pistol" should be between 2.25 - 3 pounds and crisp with no creep.

I also agree that their standard model which is not sold as a target grade model might be acceptable with that kind of trigger pull, but a pistol that is engraved and sold as a target pistol should at least have a trigger worthy of that name.

If I owned Ruger, I would offer a Volquartsen kit already installed in the pistol and charge let's say $100 bucks more for it. Volquartsen wouldn't charge them anywheres near the same for thousands of them as they do us for just one. This way it's a winner right out of the box.

IMHO Ruger does this for two reasons. To your point, they save a few penny's but the main reason is more than likely for liability issues. This way someone converting it to a target grade trigger has the liability on Volquartsen and themselves as the owner. If they continue to do this, I would suggest they stop roll marking the barrel "Target Pistol"!

I'd venture to say not many people use a Ruger Mark 4 .22 pistol for CCW, EDC or SD /HD purposes and so the only place these 22's are actually loaded is when on a Range. There is probably little risk in making the trigger "target worthy" and as all of us know, no matter what the trigger pull is (light or heavy) there will always be some Bozo who does something stupid. Like they say in Forest Gump, "you can't fix stupid" no matter how light, heavy or creepy a trigger is. Again, keep the regular production trigger on their standard models - but at least give the marked Target Pistols a descent one.
I'd venture a guess that over 90% of owners don't shoot matches and wouldn't appreciate a refined trigger. You do have a good point about the legal liability aspect.
 
I'd venture a guess that over 90% of owners don't shoot matches and wouldn't appreciate a refined trigger. You do have a good point about the legal liability aspect.

You're probably right about that. Most guys I know with Ruger 22's are looking to shoot cheap and not have to be held hostage for ammo. They have little interest in competition or learning how to properly shoot. As a serious competitor, I obviously think about that constantly when looking at 22's.

Anyway, it's GREAT to now know what the damned thing is truly capable of!! :)
 
I'm a big fan of the Ruger MK series. I have several MKII's, a MKIII, and MKIV as well as a Browning Buckmark and a S&W .22 Victory. Of all of these, I like the MKIV the least.

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As for "target" accuracy out of the box and a great trigger to boot, the winner has got to be the MKII Gov't Target Model.



I've had one of these since about 1989 and the regular shorter bull barrel version since '76. I've never done a side-by-side 25 yard benchrested accuracy comparison, but I suspect it would be a tie or very close to one. My guns are also straight-out-of-the-box, unmolested. I shoot Bullseye style, usuallly at 25 yards. I've never noticed the alleged bad triggers in either of my guns.
 
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fyi, for the mark 2s through 4s, "Target" refers to a bull barrel, not the trigger. May or may not have thumbrest grips. I have 8? ranging from 2 Government targets, comp slabsides, an original 22/45 P4 and mark III and IV 6 7/8 Hunters. All the triggers sucked when I got them. I think I missed one or two.......
 
fyi, for the mark 2s through 4s, "Target" refers to a bull barrel, not the trigger.

Actually when Ruger used/uses the term "Target " in reference to the Mark series of pistols they are referring to any model with an adjustable rather than fixed sights. I own a MK II model that does not have a " bull " barrel but does have adjustable sights. In Rugers catalogue/brochure of that era it is referred to as a Target Model. It's a MKM 678 with a 6 7/8" tapered barrel and has adjustable factory sights. It's a beautifully balanced gun and shoots very well .
 
My Mark II 6 7/8” tapered is clearly marked ‘Target’. It came with a decent trigger but got the Volquartsen treatment anyway. Now it has a great trigger and is substantially more accurate than my Volquartsen LLV upper.
 
My first .22 pistol was a Mark III 22/45 Lite. I wasn't very impressed with the trigger, disappointed with groups I was shooting with it and proceeded to kind of forgot about it for a few years. Once I replaced the trigger with a Tandem Kross trigger and removed the magazine disconnect with the Tandem Kross bushing it was like a new gun. The gun is actually super accurate and easy to shoot once you fix it up right.
 
The Ruger MK series are accurate guns as are most 22lr . As far as serious target use the most important aspect is trigger control , especially if one handed & on your hind legs . No handgun target discipline is shot from a bench . My MK1 taper barreled has a crisp trigger , MK2 bull barrel has a VQ sear & a med roll trigger . Both will clean a target @ 25 & 50yds if shooter does their part . I've been a Outdoor Conventional Pistol shooter for a long time . I've had a pretty good selection of 22 pistols over the years & difference between what determines a keeper vs a discard is often highly subjective . Gun must fit the shooter , sights must be highly visable & have precise repeatable adjustments & lastly must have a smooth usable trigger . Many shooters these days like a roll trigger rather than a crisp one . I too find it easier to keep trigger moving while gun settles into it's range of movement , trusting my hold & focusing on trigger . Gunny Zins said it best " use the trigger to steer the sights onto target center". I still have both Rugers , High Standard Military Citation 5 1/2 Bull & shoot a Marvel Conversion setup same as my 45 wadgun in matches . A Ruger with some trigger work is quite capable of taking a shooter to Master level if shooter does his part . While this is a S&W forum IMHO the Model 41 is an antiquated design based on pre WW2 Walther Olympia . Barrel is not a match grade as lands / grooves have wrong dimensions , extractor is a problematic item that the factory has refused to address for eons . A VQ Edge extractor remedies that . Trigger is crisp period & inferior to other makes . For a crisp trigger the High Standard has the best break . The cost of a new 41 is dang near in Euro territory . I went all thru one trying to make it usable for me . Relined barrel with a Lothar Walther liner as factory barrel 50yd groups were a joke , after relining it was capable of shooting a clean 50yd slow fire target . Bottom line the gun just did not fit ME & went down the road .
 
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