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Ruger Security-Nine issue. Possible PSA
Several years ago I purchased a then new to the market Ruger Security-Nine, mostly because the price was too good to pass up. I put that thing through the wringer and could not get it to fail. I was so impressed with it that I bought three more for my three daughters. I ran them through the wringer as well with the help of my daughters, and when I was satisfied that they were 100% reliable, I gave them to my daughters for their home protection. They have been sitting at the ready for the past two years doing service in a nightstand, a recliner arm hideaway or wherever they kept them. Last week I decided that they needed to come out for some practice, so I took my daughters to the range and we all brought out the Security-nines (except for one that was out of state.) I started things off with my recliner gun, and on the third shot I got a light primer strike. Continuing on through the rest of the 15 rd. magazine I got 6 more light strikes. I was using some cheap foreign ammo that I got at a gun show, 1K rounds for $179, and was thinking to myself, "Aha! That's why it was so cheap." My oldest daughter stepped up to the line with her Security-Nine and we loaded it with some new ammo from LAX, and she had four light strikes with the rest giving off varying reports from loud bangs to muffled pops. All fired rounds cycled the action, but it was very disconcerting. Last up was my youngest, and hers had 10 out of 15 light strikes. All three guns went in my bag to take home for disection to find the cause, and I pulled out a Colt Border Patrol to finish our practice session. Later I pulled out one of the Security-nines and stripped it down. I expected to find congealed oil and dirt, but instead found a perfectly clean gun. In fact, all three were spotless inside. I did notice that the hammer tension was not quite what I remembered them to be, but still seemed adequate compared to other guns I have worked on. I then went to the firing pin spring and found it to be stronger than the hammer spring. I removed the firing pin and spring and found the rebound spring to be way overbuilt like many of Ruger's designs. It was so strong that I could not compress it with my fingers. I quickly took note that it was of the same length and diameter of a typical ball point pen spring, so my wife mysteriously "lost" three of her pens. PLEASE NOTE. I am NOT recommending that you replace your Security-Nines firing pin rebound spring with a spring from a pen, or anything else, it is just what I used for my situation. A couple of days later I took the three Security-nines back the range and ran two boxes of ammo, one of each kind originally tried, through each of them with 0 failures. All cases inspected had good, strong hits on the primer. The fourth Security-Nine will be immediately removed from service when my middle daughter returns home until it can be looked at. I am just thankful that this problem wasn't found when the gun was needed the most.
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we loaded it with some new ammo from LAX, and she had four light strikes with the rest giving off varying reports from loud bangs to muffled pops.
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Unless you tried MORE ammo that you haven’t disclosed, I am still finding 100% of the fault with the ammo and I think your changes are reckless.
LAX ammo is nothing I would ever purchase or put through any of my firearms.
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That's one of the by products of using firing pin spring as a drop safety. As Ruger is want to do. A design I personally don't have any desire to carry. They go on the same list as handguns without extractors.
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while some guns are ok to be locked and loaded for long periods of time others not so much. With that said I would not want to bet my life on a gun that had not been fired for 2 yrs.
Have your daughters not shot in those 2 yrs, if so you need to get them to the range more often using what they bet their life on.
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Springs lose their strength through cycling. Ammo corrodes, oil may congeal, parts can rust; otherwise the gun doesn't care how long it's been loaded.
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while some guns are ok to be locked and loaded for long periods of time others not so much.
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12-17-2024, 02:28 PM
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Unless you tried MORE ammo that you haven’t disclosed, I am still finding 100% of the fault with the ammo and I think your changes are reckless...
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You are entitled to your opinion of course, but when I get 100% reliability out of the same boxes of ammo that were used before, with only the single spring change to the gun, and then 100% reliability with more boxes of the same ammo, I'm going to call it problem found.
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That's one of the by products of using firing pin spring as a drop safety. As Ruger is want to do. A design I personally don't have any desire to carry. They go on the same list as handguns without extractors.
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A very good point, and I am looking at replacing them with a better design. I have lost all confidence in these.
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Have your daughters not shot in those 2 yrs, if so you need to get them to the range more often using what they bet their life on.
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Yes, they have shot in the last two years, and are familiar with many different platforms. It's my fault for putting too much trust in the subject guns, a mistake that I will not make again.
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Springs lose their strength through cycling. Ammo corrodes, oil may congeal, parts can rust; otherwise the gun doesn't care how long it's been loaded.
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I believe these three guns have proven otherwise. Some springs lose strength when compressed for long periods, as the hammer springs in these guns did.
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Have you called Ruger? There may have been a batch of poorly tempered springs.
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Paragraphs. Here ya go:
"Several years ago I purchased a then new to the market Ruger Security-Nine, mostly because the price was too good to pass up. I put that thing through the wringer and could not get it to fail. I was so impressed with it that I bought three more for my three daughters. I ran them through the wringer as well with the help of my daughters, and when I was satisfied that they were 100% reliable, I gave them to my daughters for their home protection. They have been sitting at the ready for the past two years doing service in a nightstand, a recliner arm hideaway or wherever they kept them.
Last week I decided that they needed to come out for some practice, so I took my daughters to the range and we all brought out the Security-nines (except for one that was out of state.) I started things off with my recliner gun, and on the third shot I got a light primer strike. Continuing on through the rest of the 15 rd. magazine I got 6 more light strikes. I was using some cheap foreign ammo that I got at a gun show, 1K rounds for $179, and was thinking to myself, "Aha! That's why it was so cheap."
My oldest daughter stepped up to the line with her Security-Nine and we loaded it with some new ammo from LAX, and she had four light strikes with the rest giving off varying reports from loud bangs to muffled pops. All fired rounds cycled the action, but it was very disconcerting. Last up was my youngest, and hers had 10 out of 15 light strikes. All three guns went in my bag to take home for disection to find the cause, and I pulled out a Colt Border Patrol to finish our practice session.
Later I pulled out one of the Security-nines and stripped it down. I expected to find congealed oil and dirt, but instead found a perfectly clean gun. In fact, all three were spotless inside. I did notice that the hammer tension was not quite what I remembered them to be, but still seemed adequate compared to other guns I have worked on. I then went to the firing pin spring and found it to be stronger than the hammer spring. I removed the firing pin and spring and found the rebound spring to be way overbuilt like many of Ruger's designs. It was so strong that I could not compress it with my fingers. I quickly took note that it was of the same length and diameter of a typical ball point pen spring, so my wife mysteriously "lost" three of her pens.
PLEASE NOTE. I am NOT recommending that you replace your Security-Nines firing pin rebound spring with a spring from a pen, or anything else, it is just what I used for my situation.
A couple of days later I took the three Security-nines back the range and ran two boxes of ammo, one of each kind originally tried, through each of them with 0 failures. All cases inspected had good, strong hits on the primer. The fourth Security-Nine will be immediately removed from service when my middle daughter returns home until it can be looked at. I am just thankful that this problem wasn't found when the gun was needed the most."
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I wouldn't call LAX ammo a step up from "cheap foreign" ammo. My experience with them is poor.
Federal, Remington, Winchester, CCI Blazer Brass, Fiocchi, Speer and S&B are brands I've found to have excellent quality control.
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