If Trump does away with the ATF...

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And allows guns to be just.. guns...

Would you get your 6-8 3/4" N frame .44/.41/.357 and put a rifle stock on it?

I spied a 657 8 3/8 " N frame for a very reasonable price. But I sure don't like that long a barrel. But with a rifle stock... make a real nice carbine!

So.. would ya?
 
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I recall many moons ago...like....Late 90's, early 2Ks there was talk of abolishing the ATF. Right after Ruby Ridge, Waco, and all that mess. The NRA had said sumpthing to the effect that we didn't actually want the BATF/BATFE to go away, cause then other agencies would be left responsible to enforce all the gun laws that are still on the books. Presumably, the FBI. Near as I can tell, I think I'm willing to take my chances.

On the fun end...I'd have a ridiculously good time with some short barreled rifles. First on my list would be a "Mare's Leg" with a full stock and a threaded barrel. Or maybe cutting a Remington 870 barrel down to 12" or so. Of course I'm aware of the brace trend, but it doesn't fit my every desire, and they are darn uncomfortable on the Tac 14.

Oh! And the .22 pistols! a Ruger Mk4, Browning Buckmark, S&W Victory .22 with a 10" bbl...That would be alot of fun!

Being able to just walk out of a store with a new suppressor? That would be amazing. easily obtainable happy buttons? Too much to even dream of...
 
Presiden Reagan, as no doubt many remember, drastically cut the ATF in terms of both money and personnel. Those cuts did eliminate a lot of ATF activities, at least for a while. No idea if we'll see any such reductions again, but since ATF is now under Justice Department control who in that department might fill any void created by an absence of ATF?
 
It wouldn't affect the laws (Actual laws) but it would stop the stupid interpretations they randomly create. I'm guessing the FBI would take over enforcement.

Then there are the state laws that one has to deal with. So it's not an open door, just the end of a useless agency.

And I don't think I'd put a stock on a revolver. There are reasons that didn't become popular back in the 1800s.
 
Even if the president were to shutdown the ATF, the NFA would remain intact and it would simply fall upon another agency to enforce it such as the DOJ or FBI.

Regardless, even if the NFA itself were to be repealed, I wouldn't be rushing out to purchase an otherwise NFA Item because frankly none of them offer much...

  • AOWs.
    Mostly novelty items with either an extremely niche use. Good as conversation pieces, but little else.
  • Machine Guns.
    Recreationally speaking, they eat up ammo in the blink of an eye, thus making them expensive to feed and frankly less fun to shoot because they're difficult to keep on-target and will shorten trips to the range. Defensively speaking, they're a huge liability.
  • Destructive Devices.
    Expensive, hazardous, and where on earth could you realistically be authorized to use them? Defensively and recreationally useless.
  • Short Barrel Shotgun/Rifle.
    Such things are practically already available, simply under different designations such as AR "Pistols" with braces and "Firearms" such as the Mossberg 590 Shockwave.
  • Silencers.
    Can negatively impact the reliability of a firearm due to backpressure and substantially increased fouling. Could be used as a form of hearing protection, but only for firearms which don't have all that loud of a report to begin with, otherwise you still need earmuffs or earplugs.

I honestly think that if the NFA were to be repealed, then practically every NFA item would be less popular because it's no longer a forbidden fruit.
 
No interest here in full auto ammo wasters, but silencers are a benefit to almost everyone in the area. Sure, there are sometimes a few bugs to be ironed out.

Not very enamored of gun laws, but if we have to have any at all, perhaps we should mandate silencers on all subsonic weapons. Of course, that would introduce a few new unresolvable issues, but isn't that what gun laws are for?
 
The gun laws need common sense put to them. ATF needs mission defined not a us against them attitude that presently exists. Most gun laws are knee jerk political moves to show public they were doing something back in 20s and 30s Mob era. Today it’s much worse because the Law is lax on the sentencing of dangerous offenders.
Joe Sixpack is not going to gun down the neighbors even if he is allowed to own a Uzi with a silencer. On the other had we have people that will kill you with a hammer for your shoes.
We need the ATF for their original mission. We don’t need them as political weapon for those pushing gun control agendas. That is exactly what it has become. Sometimes I think ATF is stoking the fire when they OK stuff like
Bump Stocks, pistol braces and Shotgun pistols. To me this stuff is novelty
with no practical use. This stuff is legal but I can’t saw my shotgun barrel down to 17”, can’t have clip on stock on pistol, etc. These items are all non problematic in the real world. How about a firearm made before 1899 is a non gun according to ATF. Same gun being made today is and requires purchase form and background check.
Like a lot of Government, starts out ok but then grows into a monster.
 
DWalt said:
I am no stranger to fully automatic weapons, but were they as legal as any other firearm, I would not want to own one. I don’t even like “Assault Rifles.” The closest I have to one is several M1 Carbines.
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Instead of eliminating the BATFE it should be repurposed into a Federal Agency that protects the Second Amendment against local government infringement.

My M1 Carbines are soon to be infringed upon, here n Colorado.
 
Most likely event is ATF is merged in to DEA. The focus is armed, violent drug trafficking organizations and gangs as well as repeat offender serious violent felons. Been a rumor within DOJ for years. Then the compliance aspect of ATF would be handled by non-special agent personnel, like DEA diversion investigators handle scheduled drug compliance now.
 
Echo40 said:
I honestly think that if the NFA were to be repealed, then practically every NFA item would be less popular because it's no longer a forbidden fruit.
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Nonsense. The explosive growth of the suppressor industry in spite of the NFA is proof that the only thing that is likely is easier availability and lower prices on suppressors.

Same with SBRs/AOWs... the "braced pistol" popularity has helped many folks to discover that compact, shoulder mounted defensive guns are very capable and utilitarian.

In fact, both fall under the "common use" standard at this point and removal from the NFA is likely, if the right case makes it to SCOTUS.
 
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