And allows guns to be just.. guns...

Would you get your 6-8 3/4" N frame .44/.41/.357 and put a rifle stock on it?

I spied a 657 8 3/8 " N frame for a very reasonable price. But I sure don't like that long a barrel. But with a rifle stock... make a real nice carbine!

So.. would ya?

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I recall many moons ago...like....Late 90's, early 2Ks there was talk of abolishing the ATF. Right after Ruby Ridge, Waco, and all that mess. The NRA had said sumpthing to the effect that we didn't actually want the BATF/BATFE to go away, cause then other agencies would be left responsible to enforce all the gun laws that are still on the books. Presumably, the FBI. Near as I can tell, I think I'm willing to take my chances.

On the fun end...I'd have a ridiculously good time with some short barreled rifles. First on my list would be a "Mare's Leg" with a full stock and a threaded barrel. Or maybe cutting a Remington 870 barrel down to 12" or so. Of course I'm aware of the brace trend, but it doesn't fit my every desire, and they are darn uncomfortable on the Tac 14.

Oh! And the .22 pistols! a Ruger Mk4, Browning Buckmark, S&W Victory .22 with a 10" bbl...That would be alot of fun!

Being able to just walk out of a store with a new suppressor? That would be amazing. easily obtainable happy buttons? Too much to even dream of...

IF Trump did away with ATF (which I don’t see happening), revolvers would be the last thing on my mind as far as money spent goes.

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Some Might Say.

Doing away with the ATF wouldn’t permit this. Doing away with the NFA would, but that is well beyond the powers of the chief executive. Unless, of course, we want to bring back the whole king/subject thing.

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Mark Lathem

Presiden Reagan, as no doubt many remember, drastically cut the ATF in terms of both money and personnel. Those cuts did eliminate a lot of ATF activities, at least for a while. No idea if we'll see any such reductions again, but since ATF is now under Justice Department control who in that department might fill any void created by an absence of ATF?

It wouldn't affect the laws (Actual laws) but it would stop the stupid interpretations they randomly create. I'm guessing the FBI would take over enforcement.

Then there are the state laws that one has to deal with. So it's not an open door, just the end of a useless agency.

And I don't think I'd put a stock on a revolver. There are reasons that didn't become popular back in the 1800s.

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Even older, even crankier....

I believe that if Trump did away with the ATF that all their duties would go to the FBI. I also believe that many, if not most, ATF agents would be transferred/hired by the FBI to handle the new work load.
In other words, no change at all.

Even if the president were to shutdown the ATF, the NFA would remain intact and it would simply fall upon another agency to enforce it such as the DOJ or FBI.

Regardless, even if the NFA itself were to be repealed, I wouldn't be rushing out to purchase an otherwise NFA Item because frankly none of them offer much...

• AOWs.
  Mostly novelty items with either an extremely niche use. Good as conversation pieces, but little else.
• Machine Guns.
  Recreationally speaking, they eat up ammo in the blink of an eye, thus making them expensive to feed and frankly less fun to shoot because they're difficult to keep on-target and will shorten trips to the range. Defensively speaking, they're a huge liability.
• Destructive Devices.
  Expensive, hazardous, and where on earth could you realistically be authorized to use them? Defensively and recreationally useless.
• Short Barrel Shotgun/Rifle.
  Such things are practically already available, simply under different designations such as AR "Pistols" with braces and "Firearms" such as the Mossberg 590 Shockwave.
• Silencers.
  Can negatively impact the reliability of a firearm due to backpressure and substantially increased fouling. Could be used as a form of hearing protection, but only for firearms which don't have all that loud of a report to begin with, otherwise you still need earmuffs or earplugs.

I honestly think that if the NFA were to be repealed, then practically every NFA item would be less popular because it's no longer a forbidden fruit.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

I am no stranger to fully automatic weapons, but were they as legal as any other firearm, I would not want to own one. I don’t even like “Assault Rifles.” The closest I have to one is several M1 Carbines.

I just wish they’d do away with the $200 extortion fee on suppressors.

I hope I'm wrong...but the more things change the more they stay the same.

No interest here in full auto ammo wasters, but silencers are a benefit to almost everyone in the area. Sure, there are sometimes a few bugs to be ironed out.

Not very enamored of gun laws, but if we have to have any at all, perhaps we should mandate silencers on all subsonic weapons. Of course, that would introduce a few new unresolvable issues, but isn't that what gun laws are for?

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Formerly Model520Fan

The gun laws need common sense put to them. ATF needs mission defined not a us against them attitude that presently exists. Most gun laws are knee jerk political moves to show public they were doing something back in 20s and 30s Mob era. Today it’s much worse because the Law is lax on the sentencing of dangerous offenders.
Joe Sixpack is not going to gun down the neighbors even if he is allowed to own a Uzi with a silencer. On the other had we have people that will kill you with a hammer for your shoes.
We need the ATF for their original mission. We don’t need them as political weapon for those pushing gun control agendas. That is exactly what it has become. Sometimes I think ATF is stoking the fire when they OK stuff like
Bump Stocks, pistol braces and Shotgun pistols. To me this stuff is novelty
with no practical use. This stuff is legal but I can’t saw my shotgun barrel down to 17”, can’t have clip on stock on pistol, etc. These items are all non problematic in the real world. How about a firearm made before 1899 is a non gun according to ATF. Same gun being made today is and requires purchase form and background check.
Like a lot of Government, starts out ok but then grows into a monster.

Instead of eliminating the BATFE it should be repurposed into a Federal Agency that protects the Second Amendment against local government infringement.

My M1 Carbines are soon to be infringed upon, here n Colorado.

If the BATFE and NFA were to go away I’d be on the hunt for a M3 grease gun.

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Who are those guys?

Most likely event is ATF is merged in to DEA. The focus is armed, violent drug trafficking organizations and gangs as well as repeat offender serious violent felons. Been a rumor within DOJ for years. Then the compliance aspect of ATF would be handled by non-special agent personnel, like DEA diversion investigators handle scheduled drug compliance now.

Same here. Don't need a full auto gun but I have always wanted a M3 grease gun.

Nonsense. The explosive growth of the suppressor industry in spite of the NFA is proof that the only thing that is likely is easier availability and lower prices on suppressors.

Same with SBRs/AOWs... the "braced pistol" popularity has helped many folks to discover that compact, shoulder mounted defensive guns are very capable and utilitarian.

In fact, both fall under the "common use" standard at this point and removal from the NFA is likely, if the right case makes it to SCOTUS.

Full auto, as many as I can find.

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I believe I’d be in the automatic weapon lane. Something with cheap ammo.

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Waiting For The Sun.

MP5 is a ton of fun on FA. Semi, it's pretty boring.

I'd also get a new-school American 180, if available.

Suppressors are great, I'd get many more.

But, living in WA, the elected leaders would ignore any of those federal changes and certainly look to restrict even more.

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Psalm 27:2

This was back in the ‘90s…before the FBI was politicized as it has been now…but there was talk of merging the DEA with the FBI. In a training session an FBI agent was asked about that. His response was “When you mix clean water with dirty water…you get dirty water.”

It’s difficult to imagine what horrors could result from merging BATFE with the DEA. It would take some strong leadership that would purge the bad and ineffective out of both.

Do away with BATFE and the NFA? I'll be singing along.

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Only a cold warrior

More like when you mix dirty water with dirtier, more contaminated water.

Me too.
My Dad was in the 25th Inf. Div. (Tropic Lightning) stationed on the other side of Oahu when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
He didn't come back to the states until 1945.
He carried a Garand through most of the Pacific battles, but later in the war got a hold of a grease gun, he said he wished he'd had it for all the jungle fighting.

I finally got a Grease Gun, but it is a Umarex replica that uses C02 cartridges to fire BB's.
An exact copy down to the weight, only difference is this BB gun has a selector switch on the bottom, safe semi and full.
And the BB version will fire with the dust cover closed or open.
High rate of fire, it's supposed to be around 1050 RPM.
The magazines hold 60 BB's, which you can go through in just a few seconds.
It's pretty accurate for being a smoothbore BB shooter, on semi auto I can nail a pop can every time at 20 yards.
The Umarex copy of the Thompson holds 30 BB's, and their copy of the German MP40 holds 52, despite being about the same length stick mags as the M3 Grease Gun.

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U. S. Army Veteran

Not at all! Revolving Carbines, Rifles and SBRs are usually the least fun gun to shoot. Too much hot gas and unburnt powder comes out the cylinder gap!
A shoulder stocked big bore Desert Eagle or 10 mm Glock is a different story! Make mine in 50AE!

Ivan

Plus, he NEEDS a fall guy to take the heat.

Sure, he might blow off some steam but his first administration sealed my verdict - He interfered and had bump stocks summarily banned.

Personally, I attribute the growth of the suppressor industry to the following factors...

• $200 isn't that much money anymore, so the Tax Stamp is extremely affordable.
• Dramatically shorter wait. The turnaround on getting approved has never been faster.
• Forbidden Fruit. Never underestimate the appeal of something that is heavily restricted.

In terms of practical application, Suppressors just don't offer very much and if you stack the cons against the pros, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. You get a moderate reduction in decibels — but not enough to completely mitigate the necessity of hearing protection — in exchange for increased footprint size of the firearm, increased weight, increased carbon/lead fouling which in turn requires more cleaning, increased wear due to the increased back pressure, and decreased overall reliability of the system.

In a similar way Short Barrel Rifles grant increased maneuverability, storage space, and concealability in exchange for a decrease in velocity/accuracy/terminal performance which increases with every inch you take off the barrel length, increased concussion, muzzle flash, and wear — not to mention decreased reliability — on rifles with gas-powered automatic actions such as the AR-15.

If there were no longer an NFA, then there would certainly be a surge in popularity for such items, but only until the excitement of ownership of a formerly restricted item wore off and folks began to recognize the numerous aforementioned trade-offs which make these devices less useful and more temperamental than they're believed to be.

Heck, I can picture some folks swiftly learning such lessons by going all-in and purchasing a fully automatic suppressed XM177 then taking it out to the range without earpro thinking that it's going to be fun to shoot.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

I would probably want a couple of machine guns if they were legal. Maybe a Ruger .22 Charger with folding stock, 30 round mag, suppressor and some kind of 9m/m sub gun. I fired an UZI, it impressed me a lot more than I thought it would.

Since this has morphed into "what if NFA was repealed?" About the only item that would interest me would be a suppressor for a .22 rifle for pest control.

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I need ammo, not a ride.

I'd be looking for a BAR!

I paid the freight to rock and roll 40 years ago. All great fun, but not my cup of tea today. Hope everyone who wants a BAR or M3 gets to have one and enjoys them as much as I did my STEN.

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I need ammo, not a ride.

Hate to break it to you guys, but the ATF ‘ain’t goin’ anywhere.

Congress decides the size and powers of the ATF not the president.

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balin
NRA Life Member

OTC-cans,

Glock switch, lol

Good w/it.

The Alcohol & Tabaco Tax agency was the first revenue stream for the federal government. It isn't going anywhere as it's still a major source of income.

Limiting it's scope in the Firearms realm is, as noted above, up to Congress. Reining them in wouldn't hurt. Also would have no noticeable impact on violent crime.

In order full autos to be legal both the GCA of 1968 and the NFA of 1934 would need to be repealed by congress. With such narrow majorities in both houses that is highly unlikely.
Plus, remember just who tried outlawing bump stocks via presidential decree 6 years ago

This pipe dream is a non starter

There is zero chance of Congress doing away with the ATF
None.

Maybe DOGE can "eliminate wasteful redundancy" and assign criminal investigation to FBI; alcohol, tobacco taxation to the IRS. Both agencies certainly have an overabundance of personnel currently. Joe

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Behavior Creates Destiny

Like a 22LR machine gun - greasegun replica, tommygun replica, MP5 replica - all select fire capable of full auto.
That'd be cool - I'd go for a few different models!

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Send lawyers, guns & money...

Colorado s a beautiful state. Too bad the liberals ruined it.

I saw one of the Umarex M3s at the last gun show. Pretty cool looking. Filled me at first.

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Who are those guys?

If Trump does away with the ATF the very next pro gun control President in Office will reinstate it and FIND A WAY to make anybody that purchased something that is illegal under the NFA a retrograde Criminal

If we want to eliminate the ATF or reduce it to a solely administrative agency, the entire NFA, much of the GCA and the entire FOA of 1986 should go. Get rid of the gun laws, you won't need cops to enforce anything.

I know, I am dreaming the impossible dream.

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213th FBINA

SCOTUS' overturning the Chevron Doctrine should stop that silliness... at least that was their reasoning.

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