italiansport
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Here's my Hungarian Model AMD 65 cased up and ready to go.
The folded up paper is a copy of the registration.
Jim
The folded up paper is a copy of the registration.
Jim
Does anyone shoot an AK?
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mc5aw
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That was probably a SLR-95 from the original Arsenal plant. I had one when I lived in CT as it was the "loophole" AK ... it did not have AK nomenclature, thus it was not on the prohibited list. The SLR-95 is generally regarded as one of the best Kalashnikovs built in the recent past, and commands ~$1K when one can be located on the open market.
Arik
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Is it the wire folder?
They are ok. Made in Radom NOT to be confused with FB Radom. I'm sure in your reviews you've read that it was made in the famous Radom factory. It is not. FB Radom is the factory that makes the famous Polish military AK. The factory is named after the city of Radom in which the factory is located. FB stands for Fabryka Broni. Fabryka means factory. The AK you are looking at is made in a civilian factory called Pioneer Arms and is imported by IO Royale Tiger. Basically it's like comparing Springfield Armory of the 30s and the one today. 2 different factories that share a common name
The rifle isn't bad, has the original cold hammer forged barrel. However those wire folder stocks don't have the greatest cheek weld and being new to AKs I doubt you'll like it. If it's a 1mm stamped reciever that stock can be swapped for any fixed stock that is also made for the 1mm stamped receiver, which is like 75% of AKs. Changing them out takes 2 minutes and a screw driver. Take out the guts, unscrew the old stock, install the new, screw it back in and re install the guts
They are ok. Made in Radom NOT to be confused with FB Radom. I'm sure in your reviews you've read that it was made in the famous Radom factory. It is not. FB Radom is the factory that makes the famous Polish military AK. The factory is named after the city of Radom in which the factory is located. FB stands for Fabryka Broni. Fabryka means factory. The AK you are looking at is made in a civilian factory called Pioneer Arms and is imported by IO Royale Tiger. Basically it's like comparing Springfield Armory of the 30s and the one today. 2 different factories that share a common name
The rifle isn't bad, has the original cold hammer forged barrel. However those wire folder stocks don't have the greatest cheek weld and being new to AKs I doubt you'll like it. If it's a 1mm stamped reciever that stock can be swapped for any fixed stock that is also made for the 1mm stamped receiver, which is like 75% of AKs. Changing them out takes 2 minutes and a screw driver. Take out the guts, unscrew the old stock, install the new, screw it back in and re install the guts
Arik
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Saiga are no longer imported. Price on existing ones went up to stupid and it would still need a proper conversion
Arik
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Another thing to note is make sure the sights are straight on whichever one you get. Generally they are but sometimes the builder is careless. Don't worry about the center post, that's adjustable for windage and elevation. Look at the actual sight, the whole thing. Sometimes they can be canted to either side. A little cant is ok since you'll most likely have to sight in the front post anyway.
Flip the rifle with the stock at your face and the barrel pointing to the ground. Look down the rear sight like your aiming. You will see the ears of the front sight. If you see one more than the other it means that sight is canted either to the left or the right
Flip the rifle with the stock at your face and the barrel pointing to the ground. Look down the rear sight like your aiming. You will see the ears of the front sight. If you see one more than the other it means that sight is canted either to the left or the right
Arik
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Yes its owned/partially owned by IO/Tiger but it's not FB Radom which is a military production. What they bought was part of the older plant that was not used when FB moved/expended.
Should be a decent rifle for the money. Any AK surplus mag will fit regardless of country of origin. Stay away from US made mags, they tend to be only good for ....well I dunno but they don't hold up. Beat up, used up, worn out surplus mags keep on working.
Should be a decent rifle for the money. Any AK surplus mag will fit regardless of country of origin. Stay away from US made mags, they tend to be only good for ....well I dunno but they don't hold up. Beat up, used up, worn out surplus mags keep on working.
Arik
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Chinese are generally considered one of the best if not the best of the AKs. There certain features you might or might not like but as far as quality they were hard to beat. Original military made rifles, just missing the full auto features. In fact that is why they were banned, some execs in the company decided to illegally import full auto ones to sell out the "back door". Some are still floating around and are 100% illegal despite the fact that you nor the gun shop were not aware. They will instantly get you a 10 year vacation courtesy of the fed gov. If anyone sees one with a "3rd pin". Looking at the profile of the reciever, by the front of the trigger guard you will see 2 pins. If there is a third, close to the bottom of the receiver ...Run fast and far
CatSnipah
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I will be adding an Ak, and currently have 2 SKSs that are my favorite shooters. An original refurbed Russian Tula, and a tapco'd Norinco.
Here's my Hungarian Model AMD 65 cased up and ready to go.
The folded up paper is a copy of the registration.
Jim
I once had 150 AMD 65s and approx. 500K rounds of ammo.
Of course, I was the training supervisor of a regional police training center in northeast Afghanistan at the time.
What was frustrating was that I was also sent Winchester 9mm ball for the S&W Sigmas that we used in training the Afghan police that was newer than what my guys were issued!!
smokey04
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Nah, I've been shot at by many[still carry the scars],shot back at many[hope someone buried them well] but, never shot many. Harken, I hear a rifle shot , a shostle rit,a ristle rot, OH SHOOT, I'm shot!. Nick
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I just got back from the range, shot my new serbian n-pap for the first time.
Yugo Zastava NPAP DF AK Style Rifle, 7.62x39, with Underfolder Stock.
i highly recommend it. 180 rounds of wolf military classic through 6 surplus magazines at 50 yards, functioned flawlessly. easy and fun to shoot and i shot it just as well as my colt 6920. this might be my new favorite rifle.
Yugo Zastava NPAP DF AK Style Rifle, 7.62x39, with Underfolder Stock.
i highly recommend it. 180 rounds of wolf military classic through 6 surplus magazines at 50 yards, functioned flawlessly. easy and fun to shoot and i shot it just as well as my colt 6920. this might be my new favorite rifle.
Arik
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One thing to remember with Yugos is that they never used chrome lining in their barrels. Not even back in the day. This is not a bad thing, it just means that if you shoot surplus ammo, which is corrosive, keep in mind to clean the barrel
oberon
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Doesn't everybody?
Rubone
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I have an oddball, a Norinco Hunter ban era model. Y2Ker bought it for the end of the world. when it didn't happen he hid it away. Seems he never told his wife about it. I heard about it in a conversation with him one day and he said he would sell it. He had to have $500 for it. Turns out he mentioned that two cases of ammo came with it at that price. So I bought the ammo and got a new free rifle. He had only fired it 7 total rounds. Extra mags and tactical case too! The extra barrel length and sporter stock make it very accurate for what it is.
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sigp220.45
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I have a much maligned WASR. I enjoy shooting it as much as any rifle I own. The Tapco trigger is great, the chrome lined barrel is accurate and easy to clean, and it will fire and cycle any ammo I've found marked 7.62x39.
Current production ammo can still be had for less than a quarter a round. That isn't much more than 22lr these days. I see no downside to owning one.
Why are the WASRs not well thought of?
gregintenn
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A google search will turn up a lot of opinions. Some based in fact, some not.
The receivers are stamped steel, while some of the more sought after AKMs are milled.
Also, it is said that the earlier Century imported guns can be found with canted front sight bases.
As the WASR receiver was designed for a single stack magazine, the people at Century milled out the receiver to accept a double stack magazine. Some of these appear to have been done by a drunk with an angle grinder, and allow the magazine to wobble a lot. In place of the dimples stamped into other AKM receivers, there are poorly welded steel spacers inside the mag well on either side.
Lastly, the wood furniture on these are often made from what appears to be recycled plywood.
Basically, they are an economy model. Still, for the most part, they are quite accurate and dead reliable in spite of these shortcomings.
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Arik
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WASR are generally good rifles. The reasons behind their problems are superficial and arnt blamed on the right individuals.
1st problem. ..stamped vs milled. It's a none issue. It was a problem back in 1950 due to heat treating and quality of stamped metal. Milled are no longer really made or issued. 75% + of AKs are 1mm stamped. Early on there was a problem with long term accuracy on stamped receivers ..but they were poorly heat treated. Milled are more sought after for their collectable nature and the perpetuation of that old myth.
WASR reciever was designed for double stack not single. US LAWS are such that you either import a hunting version of the AK with a double stack mag but only 5 rounds. Which means your AK looks like a mini 14 OR you import with a single stack mag but in the AK configuration. The problem here is with Century Arms, the US importer. Instead of using a proper milling machine to open the mag well they basically used a dremel and eyed it. What you get is more wobble in the mag. Regardless 99% of them still function and shoot tried despite having a more wobbly mag
The wood is just not finished. Not stained.
Sometimes the sights are canted but it's very fixable and usually just fine when the sight post is adjusted.
Google search is meaningless on these since most Americans are used to fancy wood and no wobble dispute of it being more visual problem then functional. And it would help if the Century Arms would stop penny pinching and use a proper machine to open the mag well.....which they have been with the Yugo AKs. Believe it or not the Yugo is imported with a single stack as well
1st problem. ..stamped vs milled. It's a none issue. It was a problem back in 1950 due to heat treating and quality of stamped metal. Milled are no longer really made or issued. 75% + of AKs are 1mm stamped. Early on there was a problem with long term accuracy on stamped receivers ..but they were poorly heat treated. Milled are more sought after for their collectable nature and the perpetuation of that old myth.
WASR reciever was designed for double stack not single. US LAWS are such that you either import a hunting version of the AK with a double stack mag but only 5 rounds. Which means your AK looks like a mini 14 OR you import with a single stack mag but in the AK configuration. The problem here is with Century Arms, the US importer. Instead of using a proper milling machine to open the mag well they basically used a dremel and eyed it. What you get is more wobble in the mag. Regardless 99% of them still function and shoot tried despite having a more wobbly mag
The wood is just not finished. Not stained.
Sometimes the sights are canted but it's very fixable and usually just fine when the sight post is adjusted.
Google search is meaningless on these since most Americans are used to fancy wood and no wobble dispute of it being more visual problem then functional. And it would help if the Century Arms would stop penny pinching and use a proper machine to open the mag well.....which they have been with the Yugo AKs. Believe it or not the Yugo is imported with a single stack as well
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