Sonny Crocket
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Cool, thanks guys. 
So no Airweights, huh?
So no Airweights, huh?
FBI gun question
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sigp220.45
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Nope, no airweights. I forgot one - for a brief period, Smith & Wesson 940s were authorized as POWs. I know a guy who bought one, thinking that using the same ammo in his 226 and his backup gun would simplify life. He barely got to carry it before a change came out disapproving them because of the different procedures for reloading (the moon clips). I should have bought it from him on the cheap, but then I wasn't the gun-savvy fella I am today.
I should correct something else from my previous post regarding POW Model 19s and 66s. This was in reference to primary belt guns. By far the most frequently encountered Smith POWs of any kind were the various J frames, the most common probably being the Model 60. In my part of the Bureau these were almost universally called "five shots" and carried in ankle holsters while the Model 13 or Model 10 bounced around in the trunk of the Bu-car. Everybody I knew had one, while only a few guys paid out their hard earned cash for a larger gun when they already had a perfectly good Model 13 or Model 10. By the time I came along, most agents were trying to transition to a semi-auto and POW revolver use plummeted, with the exception of the J frames.
I should correct something else from my previous post regarding POW Model 19s and 66s. This was in reference to primary belt guns. By far the most frequently encountered Smith POWs of any kind were the various J frames, the most common probably being the Model 60. In my part of the Bureau these were almost universally called "five shots" and carried in ankle holsters while the Model 13 or Model 10 bounced around in the trunk of the Bu-car. Everybody I knew had one, while only a few guys paid out their hard earned cash for a larger gun when they already had a perfectly good Model 13 or Model 10. By the time I came along, most agents were trying to transition to a semi-auto and POW revolver use plummeted, with the exception of the J frames.
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TheGreatGonzo
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There are no more wheelguns authorized. The G26 and G27 have replaced them as the "small gun".
Gonzo
My .02 re bureau issue stuff.
I graduated from Quantico in 1986. I was in the academy when the Miami shootout happened.
Issue revolver was the S&W Model 13 with 3 inch barrel. It was issued with standard round butt magna grips and a Pachmayr grip adapter. Issued holster was the Bucheimer thumb break along with a 6 round 2x2x2 pouch in brown leather. A Safariland speedloader & belt holder was also issued. Duty ammo was Winchester .38 Special 158 grain lead hollowpoint. Winchester .357 magnum 145 grain Silvertip hollowpoints were also issue, but as previously discussed, only supposed to be carried in the gun with ASAC approval. Carry as a reload was authorized and was what I did (+p .38 in the gun, 6 .357 rounds in my belt pouch).
I had 2 authorized personally owned weapons, a Model 66 3" and a Model 60 2". I normally carried the 66 in my own DeSantis speed scabbard and 2x2x2 pouch. Lots of guys carried the J frames in lieu of larger guns. SWAT team members in my office had the former NCIS model 19's with 4" barrels and round butts.
I graduated from Quantico in 1986. I was in the academy when the Miami shootout happened.
Issue revolver was the S&W Model 13 with 3 inch barrel. It was issued with standard round butt magna grips and a Pachmayr grip adapter. Issued holster was the Bucheimer thumb break along with a 6 round 2x2x2 pouch in brown leather. A Safariland speedloader & belt holder was also issued. Duty ammo was Winchester .38 Special 158 grain lead hollowpoint. Winchester .357 magnum 145 grain Silvertip hollowpoints were also issue, but as previously discussed, only supposed to be carried in the gun with ASAC approval. Carry as a reload was authorized and was what I did (+p .38 in the gun, 6 .357 rounds in my belt pouch).
I had 2 authorized personally owned weapons, a Model 66 3" and a Model 60 2". I normally carried the 66 in my own DeSantis speed scabbard and 2x2x2 pouch. Lots of guys carried the J frames in lieu of larger guns. SWAT team members in my office had the former NCIS model 19's with 4" barrels and round butts.
JumpinJack
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I questioned the use of the speed loader. It's my understanding that the FBI taught and pushed the use of the 2x2x2 bullet pouch.
Dennis The B
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In the late 1970's...
...I was a Junior Achievement advisor, as were a couple of Special Agents from the local FBI office. They both carried nickel-plated Model 19's with 3" barrels and round butts. We used to shoot together at the same local indoor range as the local PD. Both carried W-W 158gr LHP rounds.
They both had issue Model 13's, but each carried the Model 19's for their POW's.
These two were really great guys, and if you met them on the street, the last thing you would have thought was that they were FBI. Both were law school grads, but chose the FBI over private practice.
...I was a Junior Achievement advisor, as were a couple of Special Agents from the local FBI office. They both carried nickel-plated Model 19's with 3" barrels and round butts. We used to shoot together at the same local indoor range as the local PD. Both carried W-W 158gr LHP rounds.
They both had issue Model 13's, but each carried the Model 19's for their POW's.
These two were really great guys, and if you met them on the street, the last thing you would have thought was that they were FBI. Both were law school grads, but chose the FBI over private practice.
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