Why would anyone buy a Sigma instead of a Glock?

I bought my Sigma over a G anything because of price. I have and had the bucks to buy the G. But the grip is awesome on the Sigma. I have biggish mits and it worked well. Even with my biggish hands the G's feel like a 2x4 on a 1x1 in my hand. Nothing natural about them. The trigger was utter crap on my pistol. I fixed it. :) Is it a tack driver in my hands???? NO. Is it the pistol or me? It's both! But for the money I paid for mine after rebate,,, $ for $ there is nothing out there that compete! It field strips easy. It cleans up like a charm and goes back together in nothing flat. With a tad of simple polishing on the barrel its a joy to look at. As a matter of fact. I have used the barrel of the Sigma to show folks what a great looking barrel should look like dirty and cleaned. While I'm not a LRN shooter. I have shot some through the pistol. Barrel cleaned right up.

Also as a reloader I enjoy having the Sigma around. I have put some pretty major reloads through it. No issues what so ever. Brass always comes out uniform and ready for the next reload. I pick up all brass at my range. I can tell when its G fired brass. That I take pliers to and recycle.

My Sigma is NOT my main HD weapon anymore. The duty has been put on my CZ-52. It is a tack driver with a great trigger. And with Wolf Gold HP's in it. It is way deadly.

Mine out of the box in my hands shot high right. After the trigger work I'm low left. Bottom line I think I'm having memory muscle problems concerning it. The barrel is round and the bore is beautiful!

The Sigma is a hell of a deal at $300 or under! Throw in the rebate and it is the best deal on the market right now be it 9mm or .40. I plan on buying .40 even though I don't like the round.

To date I have bought 2 ea. 9mm and 1 ea. .40. I cleaned up and modded one of the 9's and the 40's and resold them with paper and made a few bucks.

I have put well over 2k rounds through my Sigma. While I can get it on paper it seems to shine for me when plinking. It plays well with me. It hasn't met a coke can that it can't kill.

Glock,,,, naw for the money and few short coming Sigma has, verses some of G's short comings in my hand. Sigma 1,,,, G, 0. The CZ-52 is a 10!!! And it cost me nothing. :)

I really should have not posted this.

To complicate things I'm looking for a quick lite pistol carbine survive case of weapon and ammo. A small package and large ammo load. My gut is telling me a Kel-tec SUB 2k in G 9mm with a G-19 and mags in a nice hard case. I could do a S&W .40 package. But it seems much more complex. With over all bad mag selection. The reality is ,,, the pistol is a good 25 yard weapon. The fold up plastic carbine is a solid 7 yard weapon if not a 100 yard,,, I can kill you or your be eating dirt! In this mode of operation the G platform is better than the S&W.

I honestly don't mean to muddy the water here. But one might want to think combo here. And honestly,,,, With combo I would have to leave S&W over all. Think about it! 44 mag is my fav. round. If I went out today and purchased a .44 mag combo it would be from Ruger. Or I would split up a .357, .40 or maybe a 9mm. Or how about some of the Beretta offerings?

And lest we not talk about Hi-Point. What ground does a person have to stand on high ground concerning a cheap,,, works for them Hi? One of my buddy's has a 9mm Hi and it's a brick of never fail fire power. He is going to by a carbine from them for a third what a Sigma cost. And they have the same warranty???? Screw the G,,,, What about Hi or Kel-Tec, or other company's.

Think about it: Is the Sigma while cheap and a good pistol. Can you expand in it? :confused:
 
It has been widely reported that S&W copied the Glock design and called it a Sigma, then had to reach a settlement with Glock when Glock sued them for infringement.

So what is the allure of a Sigma? Why not just get a Glock instead? I hear people asking this all the time.

I have been shooting for over forty years. During that time I have owned Brownings, Sigs, H&K's, Kimbers, CZ's, Kahrs, S&W's, KelTecs, Colts, Tauruses, and a Springfield. I have never owned a Glock, because I can't shoot them well. The grip angle is wrong for me, and they don't point well. Plus, in the last few years, I have moved to 40 and 45 cal, and I would never trust a Glock over 9mm. My son is a Lt. on a Police force, and they have had two incidents with Glock 40's, one resulting in a permanent injury. They switched to S&W.

Truthfully, I bought the Sigma for a car gun because it was inexpensive, but it has performed so well [after a trigger job], that I can't leave it in the glove box. It is now in my carry and shooting rotation with the Sigs, Kahrs, Tauruses, and KelTec.
 
Well here's my story, when my wife and I qualified for our ccl, we used a gun the instructor had supplied. Yep Sigma 40VE. She went first. Standing behind her she held that baby as tho she was the James Bond girl at the intro to the movie where she stands with her legs apart and you see Mr Bond and he turns and shoots at you. Then she pulled the trigger for the first shots, turned to me with this orgasmic look on her face and said "this is mine!" Finished the range trip and qualified top of the class. What's a man to do when she looks at you like that? 2-40VE's later and no problems, she won't get rid of it for anything, even me......
 
Think about it: Is the Sigma while cheap and a good pistol. Can you expand in it? ............................

It's just a tool. Better than some, not as good as others..
Sure the trigger is not the greatest, but I can hit what I'm aiming
at, so it's really a non issue to me.
I actually kind of prefer the stiffer trigger because I feel it's slightly
safer than one that is on the easy side being it has no external
safety.
To me, it's a $400 pistol that I got for $250.. No more, no less.
It does the job I bought it for, so that's all I really care about.
If I thought it was junk, I would say so, but I don't. I think it's a
decent pistol as long as the trigger is not an issue. If it is, one
would probably be better off with something else.
 
$$$

Otherwise, if you've got enough for a Glock, get an M&P instead :)

Yep.. That's why I said if I were to spend $500+, it wouldn't be
either one.. It would probably be an M&P .45 if I were buying a
plastic pistol. :)
 
I'll stir in this hornet's nest for a bit. Did this question arise because someone was really curious, or was it a Glock owner trying to discretely state that their Glock is better than a S&W Sigma? Couldn't the average gun buff have sat down, thought about it for 10 minutes, and come up with the answers themselves? Maybe, uhhh, price point, ergonomics, and say..... maybe..... because they like Smith&Wesson products. Why not compare apples to apples and put the Glock up against the M&P as others have suggested? I owned a G17 around '94 or '95 and traded it on a S&W 4003. The Glock did not have the proper grip angle for my hand/shooting style. I now have an M&P 40, and I think it's great, but I don't go looking to pick fights with Glock owners because I think they own a lesser product. As far as this whole "copy" thing goes, Glock invented a plastic framed handgun with steel inserts. Congratulations! Now, if we could only turn that scary genius towards curing AIDS or stopping world hunger, the earth would be a much better place. I can only speculate that S&W could have probably made something along those lines before 1983 (or whenever Glock started production). Colt had the technology to make plastic rifles way before that. My guess is that S&W didn't think Americans would fall for such a thing. That was their only mistake. I don't see the M&P as a copy of a Glock. I see it as S&W beating Glock at it's own game. Glock owners, you have a great service pistol. That's awesome. But don't rattle the chains of the guys and gals on this forum. You don't see me going on the Glock forum and saying "Why buy a S&W revolver when you can buy a.........oh wait." Or, "why buy a S&W 22lr pistol when you can buy a..........opps!". How about a 1911 style handgun, an AR platform rifle, an AR style 22lr? Hello, anyone? Where was Glock in 1954 when S&W released the M39, in late '70/'71 when the M59 hit the civilian market? Oh, that's right, I guess those first gen Smith's are just a double action copy of the '35 Browning Hi-Power. Apples to apples. And if you are truly interested, I can provide an honest assessment of why I like the M&P better than the Glock (for essentially the same money). But leave the Sigma out of it. It's like sending your big brother to beat up one of your classmates.
 
It has been widely reported that S&W copied the Glock design and called it a Sigma, then had to reach a settlement with Glock when Glock sued them for infringement.

So what is the allure of a Sigma? Why not just get a Glock instead? I hear people asking this all the time.

The Sigma looks a lot better, feels better in the hand and not everyone and his gangsta wannabe, yuppie, follow the crowd sister has one.

Otherwise I don't know!?!
 
As far as this whole "copy" thing goes, Glock invented a plastic framed handgun with steel inserts. Congratulations! .

Actually HK beat Glock with the poly framed handgun by 12 years.

HK_VP70Z_1890.jpg


Heckler & Koch VP70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I do like some of the smith auto's but to me glock is the ak of the handgun world ....it just runs . I am a 9mm fan and think you would be hard pressed to find another 9 that will go through the torture test glocks have been put through over the many years of production without having to go back and make reliability changes . Also I would put sigs and the cz75 over the smith
 
I think the Sigs are the creme de la creme in the auto handgun world. I have yet to read a bad review about them. I will hopefully be a proud owner of one sometime in the future.
 
I am not a Glock or polymer pistol fan by any strech but I have shot both.To me the Sigma has a more comfortable grip and trigger,The magazines are metal,it is made in the USA,and it is priced@ around 1/2 that of Glock with free magazine rebates also.The M+P is a vast improvement over the Sigma in the respect that you have multiple grip configurations,and you have removed the reason why Glock probably holds the title for the most accidental discharges world wide which is that you have to dry fire it to break it down.Because of the breakdown method for the Sigma and Glock I advise my students against getting either as a first semi-auto until the new shooter gains more experience .If the shooter still wants a polymer gun I advise they consider the M+P because you don't touch the trigger to break it down and ,God Forbid,if there is a round inadvertently left in chamber the magazine release safety is there also to guard against a Accidental Discharge.........Mike
 
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The reason for my Sigma

...and you have removed the reason why Glock probably holds the title for the most accidental discharges world wide which is that you have to dry fire it to break it down.Because of the breakdown method for the Sigma and Glock I advise my students against getting either as a first semi-auto...

The SW9VE was my second SA. (My first was a CZ 82, which I love!) I got the Sigma because of price. When I went down to the 'shop' and held one, it really was perfect for me. Not really knowing any better, I felt that the trigger pull was not too bad. I have had great 'service' from it, and while my sons have had a couple of FTE, and one stove pipe, I have had none. As far as shooting off a round while dry firing it to strip it down, I ALWAYS follow the rule; consider all guns loaded, check that the mag is out and check the chamber. Having sons that I am teaching firearm safety, I absolutely can not get lax. Anyway, I like the Sigma, although I was checking prices on a GLOCK compact. Can't have enough, huh?
 
Sigma

...I should also add that I have been looking at M&Ps, as well as the Sig P250 Compact. And while I am at it, I like the CZ 75 and '75 Compact. Anybody else with this problem? I still feel good about owning the SW9VE, and have no regrets.
 
Glock probably holds the title for the most accidental discharges world wide which is that you have to dry fire it to break it

Negligent as opposed to accidental discharge would in my opinion be correct. It’s the incompetence of the end user in regard to the manual of arms rather than the design of the weapon. It is a weapon which fails to register with some end users.
 
I think the Sigs are the creme de la creme in the auto handgun world. I have yet to read a bad review about them. I will hopefully be a proud owner of one sometime in the future.

When I first started buying guns, all those long years ago, I went straight for the Sigs

Bought a 226 and then a 220. Real nice. Great fit and finish.

Unfortunately they just don't fit my hand well and I was never able to shoot well with them.

I'm sure that I could find another model of Sig that would fit my hand better but I am on a plastic pistol kick for now. (I have an XD Sub Compact and a Ruger LCP on order.) :D

I've learned that life's too short to have the best only because it is the best and not because it's what works best for me. My SW9VE fits my hand better.


wow...now I'm just rambling.

Need more coffee...
 
We went over this in anther thread didn't we ?

Springer 1911 = 1911 Copy
Cimarron 1873 = Peacemaker Copy
Tangfolio Witness = CZ-75 Copy

Sigma = Not a Glock Copy

The day someone shows me a sigma with some glock parts stuffed inside and it works i will retract my statement. Sure S&W kinda ripped off the concept but Glock stole almost all their features from previous designs anyway.

Otherwise the fact that Glock sued them for patent infringement means nothing. If you patent a part or idea and use it in a refrigerator and someone uses the same part or idea in a toaster did they copy you ? But you can still sue them for patent infringement. Besides the fact that Smith and Glock settled out of court so there was no "Judge agreeing" with anyone.

The examples cited are all long out of patent protection. The Glock design was not out of patent protection. Had S&W gotten a license from Glock, they would have had no problems. Had they not infringed on Glock patents, they would not have settled with Glock. S&W was not sued for the equivalent of copying a idea, i.e., refrigerator. They were sued for patent infringement. That is why they were taken to court and that is why they ended up having to settle with Glock by changing their design and paying damages. If Glock were to start producing copies of the S&W M-10/13 that infringed on S&W patents, Glock would face the same legal consequences.
 
any one having problems eith sigma?

I am pretty new to guns and although the sigma is not my first purchase is could quilify as my first as I have not bought nor owned another pistol in over 15 years. i purchased my sigma 1-2-2010 and have since shot 275 shells through it(my girlfriend and I that is). the first 75 with no problems, then the next 150 I had 3 malfunctions(jams), 2 on shell loading into barrel and 1 with kick out of spent shell. I then cleaned the gun after that shooting,i did not field strip it but did take my time cleaning it completly. the last 50 shells through it this past weekend, it had 8 malfunctions(mixed). I field stripped it last night and cleaned it completly, is this a common problem? is there something I could do to make this more reliable? i bought this for home defense/ conceal carry. we take our class this saturday and I am going to RENT us BOTH a gun as I now have no confidence it shooting it. we purchased this gun do to its feel in BOTH our hands, caliber, looks, and more importantly at the time MONEY. We are planning on buying 2 more pistols in the very near future as money allows for conceal carry/backup. but now I am leaning to another brand as I can't just keep dropping cash until I find the one(two) right for us. thanks for any help with this issue.

also is there any gunsmithing someone could do to make it a better gun? trigger pull is heavy, specially for my 4'10" 105# girlfriend. any recommendations for a good gun for her?
 
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