Guns and Health Care

[David LaPell]

My wife and I were at the Doctor's this morning with my son getting his 6 month checkup. The provider was setting up some type of new service with the computer when they asked halfway through if there were any guns in the house. I politely asked why that needed to be asked and I was told that it was because if the "patient" showed any signs of either suicidal or homicidal tendencies than the provider's responsibility would change. (He's 6 months old for crying out loud!) My guess is that the responsibility would include notifying Social Services or something, but it makes you wonder what will happen if Government run health care gets in effect, if guns, like obesity and smoking will become the next social no-no. Another thing to consider with mandated health care.

 

[P&R Fan]

This has been around for some time, although I've never been asked. What did you tell them?

 

[oldogy]

I guess they will be getting some NOYB replies to this question.
oldogy

 

[oldRoger]

Evidently there is an active anti-gun core in the Pediatrician's Trade Union. I have seen this commented on before.
For some reason the union of concerned pediatricians is perfectly willing to invade anyone's privacy in their effort to eliminate all possible hazards from the infant's life.

Many cases of child abuse are reported locally, usually beating, scalding, abandonment, etc. Rarely some toddler or older child manages to fire a improperly stored firearm, far more often the child drowns in the pool, or a 5 gal. bucket.
Given the obvious cluelessness of some people I suppose a reminder from the Doc about the elimination of hazards around the house is not out of place, sort of a short course in child proofing the house.
But does he ask about sharp objects, swimming pools, buckets, stairs to fall down, neighbor's pit bulls, and so forth? It would seem to me that concentration on the most likely hazards would be the priority. When the first question is guns, motives should be suspect.

 

[bk43]

From the American Academy of Pediatrics:

"The AAP recommends that pediatricians incorporate questions about guns into their patient history taking and urge parents who possess guns to remove them, especially handguns, from the home. Loaded firearms and unlocked firearms and ammunition represent a serious danger to children and adolescents."

Linkie to full text at AAP site: Firearm-Related Injuries Affecting the Pediatric Population -- Committee on Injury and Poison Prevention 105 (4): 888 -- AAP Policy

Bob

 

[44forever]

I have run into the question, though not from a

pediatrician but in a GP's office. I answered with silence and my best cold stare. Directly we moved on to more appropriate questions.

 

[bmx]

I've ran into this "firearms in the house" question 2 times during out-patient proceedures in the past year, at the same out paitient surgery unit.

I asked what that had to do with my medical issues or treatment and the nurses looked at me like I had insulted motherhood and cherry pie.

They answered that "the question is on the form and must be answered so we may have our records complete". I told them it was none of their damn business and lets get on with the real matters at hand.

I got to talk to a "supervisor" both times because I would answer their question. I bet she made a mark on my permanent record somewhere because I told her the same thing.

I told all my doctors that I will no longer go to that surgery unit.

 

[Vegetaman]

"The AAP recommends that pediatricians incorporate questions about guns into their patient history taking and urge parents who possess guns to remove them, especially handguns, from the home. Loaded firearms and unlocked firearms and ammunition represent a serious danger to children and adolescents."

Make sure to be caught with your pants down when somebody breaks into your house! We wouldn't want you to defend your house or protect your child, or anything.

 

[DonD]

But does he ask about sharp objects, swimming pools, buckets, stairs to fall down, neighbor's pit bulls, and so forth? It would seem to me that concentration on the most likely hazards would be the priority. When the first question is guns, motives should be suspect.

Precisely, these busybodies can't bear to focus on what they were trained for. Don

 

[oldRoger]

I suspect under Obamacare it will be no answer, no care.

I think a reminder to parents of newborns that they should start baby proofing the house is not out of place. Perhaps hand out a brochure, maybe even offer counseling to the clueless.
As for firearms; that is between me and the second amendment.
These joints ask me for my SS# and seem insulted when I won't give it to them, hell thy have my Medicare card it's the same number.

 

[retiredsquid]

My response would be a resounding NOYFB.

 

[brucev]

Tell them to go suck a golf ball.

 

[oldman45]

There are many groups against guns, doctors included. I recently learned that the United Methodist Church is lobbying for a total gun ban on private citizens and has petitioned Congress for such. They also ask that ladies submit to rape rather than inflict possible injury on their attackers.

But there are just as many groups that are pro gun and pro self defense.

 

[DonD]

They also ask that ladies submit to rape rather than inflict possible injury on their attackers.

Let's say I'm skeptical, I'd like to see a link to an official Methodist website. If they said that, a whole lot of people are really sick, sounds like something from Muslim Sharia law.

Any woman on the verge of being raped is completely justified in thoroughly ventilating her attacker. She'll help drain the shallow end of the gene pool. Don

 

[oldman45]

Let's say I'm skeptical, I'd like to see a link to an official Methodist website. If they said that, a whole lot of people are really sick, sounds like something from Muslim Sharia law.

Any woman on the verge of being raped is completely justified in thoroughly ventilating her attacker. She'll help drain the shallow end of the gene pool. Don

Ok, here is the first one, on their letterhead about the UMC stand on guncontrol. I will get the other shortly. Note who signed authored the paper and his position with the UMC. It has been elevated since. He also authored the paper I will send the source on.

http://www.gcorr.org/atf/cf/{9412EE...77}/Statement_SupremeCourt_Handgun_Ruling.pdf

 

[oldman45]

Let's say I'm skeptical, I'd like to see a link to an official Methodist website. If they said that, a whole lot of people are really sick, sounds like something from Muslim Sharia law.

Any woman on the verge of being raped is completely justified in thoroughly ventilating her attacker. She'll help drain the shallow end of the gene pool. Don

NRA-ILA :: Gun Control=Gun Prohibition

This article appears beneath several photos on the site listed.

Rather than shooting rapists, it is women`s Christian duty to submit to rape, according to an article by Reverend Allen Brockway, editor of the official magazine of the Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church. He poses the rhetorical question, "Is the Robber My Brother?" and Reverend Brockway answers, "Yes."

Rev. Brockway recognizes that the woman who is accosted in the park may not think of her violator as her neighbor, or that his "safety is of immediate concern"--but, Brockway preaches, "Criminals are members of the larger community no less than are others. As such, they are our neighbors or, as Jesus put it, our brothers. . . . [Though violent criminals act wrongfully,] it is equally wrong for the victim to kill the robber or burglar, save in those extremely rare circumstances when the unambiguous alternative is one own`s death."3

Such views are not just an atypical product of sexism or religious extremism. They characterize the Gun Control Movement. Feminist icon Betty Friedan denounces "the trend of women buying guns" as "a horrifying, obscene perversion of feminism." Friedan believes "that lethal violence even in self defense only engenders more lethal violence, and that gun control should override any personal need for safety."4


Additionally, it is found in about 3500 other sites, plus in the United Methodist Church library.

I would like to add, and maybe one of the other officers here will back me up, if a lady submits, it is not rape and becomes consensual.

 

[oldman45]

From:

Religion and Self Defense


To many times people especially those who are women are repressed into certain beliefs that usually come from misleading information from religious leaders. Example: The board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church headed by the Rev. Allen Brockway has exposed his views in writing on how he feels on what a woman should do if she were raped, according to Rev. Brockway he solemnly advised it is a woman's Christian duty to submit to rape rather than do anything that might imperil a rapist life.

Rhetorically posing the question as is: "Is the Robber my brother?"

Rev. Brockway has a rather interesting interpretation of the Bible on how victims should deal with dangerous situations. Rev. Brockway states: "For though the burglary victim or women accosted in the park by a rapist is (not) likely to consider the violator to be a neighbor whose safety is of immediate concern." Rev. Brockway goes on to say, "Criminals are members of the larger community no less than others. As such they are our neighbors or as Jesus put it our brothers, though violent criminals act wrongfully, it is equally wrong for the victim to kill, save in those extremely rare circumstances when the unambiguous alternative is ones own death".


A copy of the article by Rev Brockway is available from the UMC for a small fee.

 

[oldman45]

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/54bigsym.pdf

View page eight for more on this subject.

 

[oldman45]

"Rather than shooting rapists, it is women's Christian duty to submit to rape."
Reverend Allen Brockway, editor of the official magazine of the Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church. Brockway, "But the Bible Doesn't Mention Pistols," Engage/Social Action Forum, May, 1977, pp. 39-40.


Don, Have you became less skeptical? If not, I have several other references available.

Do not get me wrong, I am not against the UMC but simply stating the official position of their group. Not once that I can find did they denounce the position Dr Brockway stated in the official UMC paper.

 

[oldman45]

Well

I only recently learned of the views of the UMC and it's political stance. All this info was furnished me while I attened an event where my source was giving a talk on self defense, guns and law. All I can say about this seminar was the speakers were high ranking state employees that belong to and attends the United Methodist Church. Their views were not those of the State nor their personal views but furnished the information to show what type of attitude is in the public sector. I was furnished the written word on official UMC letterhead as were the 40 others attending with me which included attorneys, sheriff deputies and local pd officers as well as some ladies that I did not know or learn of their affiliation with any business or group.