Slaying of rancher on the border saturday

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I don't think it would be that hard to shut the border down. 30 days of a 1 mile wide free fire zone and very few would risk a border crossing. Building the fence sounds like an outstanding 21st Century CCC type project to get America working again. Tell the EU that we bailed Europe out twice in the last Century, it's time for them to put on their Big Girl Panties and learn to get along with each other. Pull 3/4s of our troops out of Europe and stick them on the border. There are probably a few million of us with prior military service. Reactivate us for two weeks out of the year to fill in the gaps in the line then run those little drone planes up and down the border to locate stragglers.

Rather than send illegals that slip through back to Mexico we send them to Liberia.
 
Mexican Milatary helicopter has buzzed the Texas side of the border
couple days in a row.
Local coppers reported it to the feds yesterday I think the paper said.

You can expect more incursions by the Mexican military since the cartels started targeting them...almost on equal terms. Someone double crossed someone else...and its most likely payback.

The border with Mexico has always been a dangerous and risky place, even in the days of the Texas Republic. Now its drugs, then it was guns and whiskey smuggling. Same difference.
 
Neo-jingoist

How do we keep the illegals from coming up here? We save them the trip. For decades, we've been accused of being yankee imperialists. Maybe it's high time we started acting like it. We need a smaller, easier to control, border. One like the Mexican/Guatemalan border. Soooo...we annex Mexico. WE share the border with Guatemala, add a few more states to the union, a few more stars to the flag, the Mexicans get to BE Americans and as such would be subject to our laws enforced by our people in a land that used to be theirs. The U.S./Mexican border would cease to exist because Mexico would cease to exist, having been broken up into new U.S. states. (or maybe I should try de-caf)
 
Neither political party has the slightest intention of doing anything substantive about regaining control of our borders. One is looking for potential voters and the other is looking for cheap labor. And if you think they are concerned about what the majority of Americans want, look at the just past Health Care Legislation. End of story.
 
Yeah! Then they'll have to overstay their visas and blend in, just like the Europeans and Asians do!
 
Pull out of the Mideast, we don't need their oil and let Israel deal w/thugs in da hood.

Invade Venezuela, seize their oil and then apply the old tried and true hammer-anvil tactic to Mexico.

It's a new world order.

Seeing how democracy is the needs of the many, trumps the rights of the few and the gubbermint will enact eminent domain &/or martial law to take what it wants, how about we remove w/prejudice every convicted prisoner currently behind bars and start all over.
 
It is a sad statement but we actually need illegal Mexicans in this country. There are jobs that Americans will not do and feel it beneath them. A friend owns a linen service and placed an ad in the local paper for workers in his new plant. He hired 17 Americans and four LEGAL Mexicans. They were paid $7.32 per hr. to wash, fold and stack linen to be delivered to hotels. At the end of a month, he had ONE American left and had all 17 of the Mexicans still there. Mexicans do not mind hard labor. He still tries to hire Americans but they never stay long.

I am as American as they come. But those complaining about Mexicans taking their jobs generally will have a foreign car in their drive. It may have been assembled in the US but it was made in some other country and the profits of the car went to another country. That still puts Americans out of work.
 
It is a sad statement but we actually need illegal Mexicans in this country. There are jobs that Americans will not do and feel it beneath them. A friend owns a linen service and placed an ad in the local paper for workers in his new plant. He hired 17 Americans and four LEGAL Mexicans. They were paid $7.32 per hr. to wash, fold and stack linen to be delivered to hotels. At the end of a month, he had ONE American left and had all 17 of the Mexicans still there. Mexicans do not mind hard labor. He still tries to hire Americans but they never stay long.

I am as American as they come. But those complaining about Mexicans taking their jobs generally will have a foreign car in their drive. It may have been assembled in the US but it was made in some other country and the profits of the car went to another country. That still puts Americans out of work.

Washing/folding/stacking linen is "Hard Labor" ? Geesh I always thought construction or steel workers, or Iron workers were Laborers. Every job needs to be done, it doesn't need to be done by the same person forever, jobs that pay less tend to not keep people that are intelligent long, but they are a stepping stone and are needed. The problem with a lot of Americans is their sense of Entitlement. You aren't entitled to anything... I moan and groan about my job, I moan that I am not paid fairly for my knowledge, I moan about the pay cuts I had to take so the CEO could get a huge multi million dollar bonus, but at the end of the day, I have it made... It's a cushy job. But if the time comes and I lose it and have to work a job further down the pay grade, I will do what ever it takes to survive.
 
The "fence" ain't working. A strip 200 yds wide filled with those cheap Chinese antipersonnel mines along with bouncing bettys and some anti tank mines from the Pacific ocean to Texas would cut down on this crap. My wife says what about animals and hikers? They need to read the "Achtung,Minen!" signs. Would cut down on the manpower needs also. Joe
 
I may be wrong but I suspect that we either are lied to or just given false information and never needed to buy a drop of oil from other countrys. Dont we SELL oil to japan and elsewhere from alaska?
I was raised in wisconsin back in the 40s through early 60s. Everyone worked! There were a lot of cottage industry and larger factory jobs that doesnt exist now. There was many truck garden farms that hired us kids to work alongside the many mexican brazzeros that would migrate every summer. For kids, we made good money. We had seasonal cannerys like green giant that would hire anyone who would show up.
As far as buying foreign cars, you cant name a car that IS totaly made here in the states. You have no choice! Maybe a model here and there in ford or GM once used to be made mostly here, yet the very same company sold foriegn cars along side them, so whats the point?
I belive the real economical problem we have in this country is and always has been the socalists and greenies and liberal thinkers that are elected. Many stupid osha regulations make it difficult to compete, companys are taxed and regulated out of existance or move out of the country to survive.
Lawyers are vultures that attack every product that can be made and the result has been doctors and no one else can afford the insurance to make it attractive to start a small business.
Were I a politican I would be in a delemma. I have strong feelings on both sides of the illegal immigration problem. First, were I born in mexico, I think I would be at the head of the line hopping the fence and swimming the river! Yet I belive we should close the border and deal harshly with all illegals. I belive we should check everyone and deport every illegal found and if found again in this country, seize everything they have, deport them again and tell them if they return they will be made slaves. I have met many obvious illegals, and can feel for them.
I also will admitt to fantisiseing that I would like to be able to select some legal americans to take their place in deportation!
I belive the feeling really is that there is just too many illegals here, about 20 million?, to effectively round them up. Privately, the politicans probley think that if we attempted to, we would look like the nazis rounding up the jews.
In 1954 president Eisenhower had a program called "Operation wetback". They rounded up somewhere around a 150,000 illegals and shipped them back far below the border. They estimated close to a million more went back on their own when they seen what was happening and that we were serious!
At the same time we also had "the bazzero program where many mexicans could legaly come seasonaly and work the crops. It seemed to work, and as a boy I worked with many of them in the fields in wisconsin.
I have one big question. Now if a illegal is caught near the border by the BP, they are deported. There is no fine or penalty of any kind. It kind of is like throwing your dog off the back of your truck when you want to go to town without him and he repeatedly climbs back on untill you give up!
Just where is the line where the illegal is safe? If found by say a traffic violation or whatever in a northern state, they are NOT deported!
The kids are going to school somewhere. The schools know the kids address,s. Like gays in the military its dont ask, dont tell.
Some states like texas and arizona are being bankrupted because the feds make them school and give welfare to many.
Our politicans and goverment seem to have no concept of reality. None know what it is to sweat for a dollar in the fields or at whatever. Their answer is let the evil big corperations pay the taxs for all their liberal socalistic ideas.
Things eventualy have to burst. Unless the lord comes first, we all will go broke and there has to be a huge reveloution where all dredges of soceity will either have to start working for pennies to eat or be shot when they try to steal from you.
This country no longer produces anything. It has become a "service" industry. Outside of construction and a few other types of employment it seems there are no sweat jobs. Not everyone in the world can be employed in a office setting! Somewhere, sometime, products have to be produced or we wont eat or have cloths to wear! Not everyone in this country can work at a hospital, bank, or be in the military or a LEO! Someones got to weed the onions and pick the mellons.
We need to either get rid of the sluggards or the illegals or both! First, we need to exicute everyone on death row yesterday, also all child molesters and drug pushers. Then all lesser theifs etc now in jail need to be marched out to the fields to do the illegals work.
I really would like to give every prisoner a choice. Either you work in the fields untill you drop or no longer can, or you trade places with one honest illegal imigrant and go to mexico, (we will keep throwing you over the fence untill you make it) but if found here later, you will be shot when found.
 
i don't think there are jobs americans will not do. there are jobs americans won't do for the amount of money being paid. we had the same thing in our town. morrells was one of the larger meatpackers around, and in this town you worked for them or for john deere making farm equipment. once the meatpackers union got the wages to where they wanted them, the company could no longer afford to keep the plant operating. it was sold, torn down and new meatpacking plant was built. by the time the unions got the wages up, the plant was sold to new owners and the union had to start from scratch with wages and benefits and the whole cylcle would start anew. somewhere along the line, the unions lost most of their power and the companies started hiring latins for the jobs and now pay about what was being paid 20yrs. ago. it's all about the money. who has it,how to get more of it and who they can take advantage of and for how long.
 
It is a sad statement but we actually need illegal Mexicans in this country. There are jobs that Americans will not do and feel it beneath them.

I bet if we stopped some of the housing subsidies, food subsidies, sit on your back side and watch TV subsidies, you might be surprised how many people would be willing to fold linen. And more importantly, you might be surprised how may people would become motivated to learn a trade or other marketable skill set that would get then out of folding linen for the rest of their lives.
 
In Arizona, Andrew Thomas, the current Maricopa County Attorney, is running for Arizona State Attorney General. He is a staunch supporter of Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpio. When Mr. Thomas is elected, and he WILL be, adios!
 
Continuing on, other than voting, I've not been involved in politics for decades. That said, I am going to do all I can to supprot Mr. Thomas in his endevors and urge all Arizona member of this forum to do so as well!
 
Ahhh, if only... Unfortunately, Coyle estimated about 14.5 million would be needed to achieve the required density. I wish I was smart enough to come up with a solution but I am not. I'm pretty sure I could do better than some of those elected/appointed to figure it out.

Frank

Frank, you're the only other person I've "met" who has read Coyle and "Sword Point". His discussion of the logistics of closing the border with a brute force solution was eye opening but not surprising. The earliest ten years of my IT career (hah!) was spent doing logistics so I have been intimately familiar with "stuff" and moving it from place to place when needed. A smarter solution is what is required, electronic surveillance and mobile reaction forces are a better answer than 12 million meters of concertina and 15 million mines. The mines and concertina can be used, of course, to channel the invaders into a catcher sack. Some force applied in the D. F. would help too.

Russ
 
Read about 2-3 Coyle books years ago. Pretty good.

BTW, don't believe all that stuff about how impossible it would be to start apprehending and returning illegal aliens to Mexico (or wherever). The only problem--other than simple logistics-is that in authority has the huevos to actually do it.

Which is a damn shame.
 
They come here because we pay them to.

I used to work in Idaho, one of the reddest of the red states. All of the good Republican dairy owners hired illegal aliens. They simply could not get US citizens to do dairy work, and they paid a decent buck.

I once went with my ICE pals to snatch a guy who was working at a local car lot washing cars. The owner was known to me - he was somewhere to the right of John Birch. He howled like a stuck pig when we hauled "his Mexican" away.

If you want them to stop coming, get ready to pay eight bucks a gallon for milk, and start grooming your kids for rewarding careers in the motel housekeeping industry.

We need a workable guest worker program where these folks can come here, do the work that is somehow beneath us Americanos, send the money home, and leave after their time is up. Of course, you'll have to figure out what to do with the little US citizens they give birth to while they're here.

This topic always generates lots of heat and little light.
 
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