Hermann
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VERY TRUE !! I see some of these guys on the local Military range preparing for qualification and sometimes I just want to get out of range as quick as possible ....
15-22 Accidental Discharge Lawsuit.
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VERY TRUE !! I see some of these guys on the local Military range preparing for qualification and sometimes I just want to get out of range as quick as possible ....
chuck s
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Negligent discharges are your responsibility not the rifle manufacturer.
These rifles use standard AR15 fire control parts and will not discharge unless you (1) have a round in the chamber, (2) have the selector on FIRE, and (3) pull the trigger.
If the trigger has been buggered, usually by filing and polishing, or improperly re-assembled all bets are off but it's still negligence, and not by the manufacturer.
You're responsible for every round you send down range. Your intentions are irrelevant.
-- Chuck
These rifles use standard AR15 fire control parts and will not discharge unless you (1) have a round in the chamber, (2) have the selector on FIRE, and (3) pull the trigger.
If the trigger has been buggered, usually by filing and polishing, or improperly re-assembled all bets are off but it's still negligence, and not by the manufacturer.
You're responsible for every round you send down range. Your intentions are irrelevant.
-- Chuck
A bystander was shot at a gun show here a few months ago (not with a 15-22) ... should the gun have been loaded? No
Should someone have been playing with it and not watching where the muzzle was pointed? ABSOLUTELY NOT
Mechanical devices can break. Safe, responsible use dictates that you plan for that. When it involves potentially life threatening consequences, it has to be absolute and all the time.
The only "true" safety is only point the muzzle things you want to kill.
Should someone have been playing with it and not watching where the muzzle was pointed? ABSOLUTELY NOT
Mechanical devices can break. Safe, responsible use dictates that you plan for that. When it involves potentially life threatening consequences, it has to be absolute and all the time.
The only "true" safety is only point the muzzle things you want to kill.
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No such thing as "Accidental Discharge"
Negligent Discharge is proper in my eyes; if you always control the muzzle properly, you can not have this problem.
Negligent Discharge is proper in my eyes; if you always control the muzzle properly, you can not have this problem.
scooter123
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IMO, the difference between an AD and a ND is basically where the muzzle is pointed. If it's pointed in a safe direction, it's an AD. If it's pointed in an unsafe direction, it's an ND and all injuries lay at the feet of the person holding the gun.
Bottomline, ALWAYS keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction and don't ever put your finger on the trigger until you are actually ready to fire.
Bottomline, ALWAYS keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction and don't ever put your finger on the trigger until you are actually ready to fire.
You'd think so, but you might be wrong.
I once watched a fellow major (and an Infantryman to boot) pump two consecutive rounds from his M9 into a clearing barrel. He neglected to remove the magazine before trying to clear the weapon; when it went off he racked the slide (ejecting an unfired round and chambering another), and pulled the trigger again.
But even he had the good sense not to point the weapon at someone while being an idiot.
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If he altered the action of the gun in a "kitchen table gunsmith" job, then S&W is not liable for anything.
Even if a safety or a hammer failed, I'm sure S&W played CYA like every other gun maker and has the fine print in the manual "Do not rely on the safety, treat every gun as if it were loaded, etc....." so that when this stuff happens they can say "Hey it's in the manual!"
Suing a gun maker for an ND is like if I tried to sue a knife company for making their knives too sharp because I ran it across my arm and it cut me.
Even if a safety or a hammer failed, I'm sure S&W played CYA like every other gun maker and has the fine print in the manual "Do not rely on the safety, treat every gun as if it were loaded, etc....." so that when this stuff happens they can say "Hey it's in the manual!"
Suing a gun maker for an ND is like if I tried to sue a knife company for making their knives too sharp because I ran it across my arm and it cut me.
If he is an attorney he must know the fault was not keeping the weapon pointed in a safe direction. An accidentental discharge should not cause injury to another person if you are following safe handeling procedures. This is not to say the gun does not need to be checked.
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I read that review somewhere too. I got a kick out of it also. I told my 5 year old first and fore most always down range before touching any gun. Then I asked her about 20 times where the gun should always be pointed. After beating that into her head and a few other safety leasons I let her have a little trigger time. Now I have a shooting buddy. Atleast when shooting the 15-22. My other guns she says are too loud even with her ears on.
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Brett248Vista
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Evil,
Try doubling up on the hearing protection. When I shoot the big guns I put my expanding ear bud/plugs in and my over the ear muffs.
Try doubling up on the hearing protection. When I shoot the big guns I put my expanding ear bud/plugs in and my over the ear muffs.
chuck s
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Get out from under the canopy and noise will dissipate better. The first time I fired my short barreled Marlin Guide Gun (.45-70) I almost dropped the critter from the blast.
-- Chuck
-- Chuck
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I wonder if it could just be a clerk for this attorney doing legwork and not the attorney himself.
I agree with A. I consider B irrelevant. He's not looking for experts, as he knows the answer as well as we do. He's looking for any possibility or even illogical allegation that there was something wrong with S&W's product, even though he knows it has no bearing on the guilt or innocence of his client. Whether he was hoping to find (mis?)information with which to bamboozle the jury or, rather, his client, I am not competent to say, but I am pretty sure that it was one of the two.
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I agree. He is not looking for experts. It is someone posing as a lawyer seeing how many responses he/she can get.
cazador505
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I wonder what the circumstances were. If he had one in the pipe he was already braking the safety rules.
My other guns she says are too loud even with her ears on.[/QUOTE]
+1 on the foam plugs and muffs.
One of my grandkids has incredibly good ears and complained about the noise being too loud even with the muffs on. So I put the foam protectors in the ears and the ear muffs over those on all the grandkids. Don't want them wearing hearing aids when they grow up like I have to.
+1 on the foam plugs and muffs.
One of my grandkids has incredibly good ears and complained about the noise being too loud even with the muffs on. So I put the foam protectors in the ears and the ear muffs over those on all the grandkids. Don't want them wearing hearing aids when they grow up like I have to.
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wow im really supprised this has got this much attention
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