no more chuck-e-cheese...

There are plenty of places to get pizza and when my daughter was young we had her birthday parties at home. It required more effort but it cost less and she always enjoyed her birthday. I vote with my money on such things and simply do not give my money to businesses that have such policies. It is their right to restrict weapons on their property and it is my right to stay off their property and patronize businesses who do not have such policies.

When I was an active LEO I was always armed when I left the house. There were people in the area that had made threats and I had helped to send to jail/prison who I didn't want to encounter if unarmed. Also, if I was out with another LEO I didn't wish to have to defend him and me with just my OD weapon. I had a good friend and fellow officer who refused to carry anything when off duty because it was just too much trouble in his opinion. I thought it was foolish and told him so but it was his choice in that department. He was an excellent officer and he and I worked together many times. He qualified Distinguished Expert with his issued M10. I respected him very much but still considered his decision to be foolish.
 
Next time, go to a real Italian pizza shop. Carrying a gun will be a non-issue. The only thing they do frown upon is wearing a wire and of course, ordering pineapple on your pizza.
 
Maybe I'm way off base here but I think I would have some reservations about the police officer that made those statements, doesn't carry off-duty and seems to harbor some anti gun sentiment!

In the Austin PD in the 60's and 70's and officer was required to be armed off duty -- Not to be could get you some unpaid days off
 
Ok ... I'm an old fart, but not too old to learn from someone who knows.

At the very least, I shouldn't jump to conclusions based on so little information. I stand corrected.

No need to stand corrected. Some officers in a few areas are anti gun.

For the fun of it, try carrying about 35 pounds of weight around you waist or upper torso all day. That is why I wear a shoulder holster so some of the weight is on my shoulders.

Many people think when an officer starts to walk up to their car while pulling on their pants is a power play. It is not. Their pants fall from the weight on their belt.

Take a four pound gun, two loaded mags, two sets of cuffs, a taser, a can of spray, a set of keys, a heavy belt and six keepers and the weight adds up. Taking it off once home and it feels wonderful. I took my rig off when I got home today and felt a major weight off my shoulders. If I go out tonight, I will stick my gun in the waist band mexican carry.
 
Take a four pound gun, two loaded mags, two sets of cuffs, a taser, a can of spray, a set of keys, a heavy belt and six keepers and the weight adds up.
I've always looked at those duty belts and thought to myself "How in the world do they carry all that crap around all day every day?"
 
another CEC incident. Several yrs ago, my grand daugther had a party at CEC and my daughter in law's car was broken into and CD's and stereo stolen. CEC said it happened a lot cause most people going in would be in there for several hours at a time.

I quit going.
 
We always go to the "Incredible Pizza Company" here in Missouri, no signs and I always CC while there and they have an indoor go cart track for the kids. Quit the Chuckecheese route many years ago when we went to one and it was filthy and the food was nasty.
 
Every since they shut down the Showbiz name and went with Chucky Cheese the food has been disgusting and just a horrible place to go. Just another reason not to go back imo.
 
Its true, businesses can refuse service based on anything, including concealed weapons. Starbucks does it all the time. You need to make sure you don't print or show when you're buying your eggnog late or you will be asked to leave, specially here in the pacific north west.

Sometimes its even worse... the wont tell you anything but they will call the cops drectly. Since most starbucks employees are hippie-liberal young kids, their phone call will sound like this" "there is a MAN with a GUN here!".

As you can imagine, this statement pants an entirely different picture. Long story shorts.... as you are walking out sipping on your mocha, 4 cops are drawing down on you from behind their cruisers.

.....true story, happened to a friend of a friend ;)

I have never found a SBUX with a "No Weapons" sign. Their corporate policy was stated as "as local law allows". They were on the front page of the Wall Street Journal about open carry in CA at SBUX and they refused to put up signs and said they were just upset that they were dragged into the political debate. It was HCI and the Brady bunch that were lobbying them to post no weapons signage. I think one of the other coffee shops out of Seattle did post and they were praising them, it may have been Peet's. I went to SBUX website and let them know I was glad they supported the 2nd amend. Now you will routinely find employees, managers, and customers that may call police on a MWAG. Happens at Walmart all the time when they state OC or CCW is OK.
 
I think the sad truth of the matter is that we are going to see more and more of posting of no gun zones. More and more I'm reading of this attitude and how it is not socially acceptable to a lot of people to see someone carrying a gun.

The loudest voice we have is our pocket book. If we don't like it, don't spend your $ there and let them know.

I'm not crazy about the cops attitude either. _Use to be_ some jobs you didn't leave at 5:00, just part of the duty. Firemen, Policemen, Doctors, and so - not realistic today - I guess. It just bothers me and I'm searching myself as to why!

I like Clint Smith a lot, and one of his 'Clintisms' that I use a lot is - I carry because a cop is too heavy.
I think it shows respect for policemen and guns.
 
couple of points an opinions...

1. ChuckE.Cheese pizza REALLY sucks!
2. My daughter LOVES CEC and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
3. I love my dughter with all my being... (so we go!)
4. I wish I could CC every where... but I can't.
5. Know where you are, who is there, and what the threats are.
6. If its not safe leave...

if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?
Of course not......... ppl lets get real...

Dont get me wrong...
I carry 100% of the time I am allow by law.
And of course a 100% while on duty...

this life is not a warzone....
just be aware and 90% of the problems will be avoided.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can hear the responces already, .............. *sigh*..................
breath, its going to be ok!
I am PRO gun and PRO self defense.
Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!
 
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I've seen those signs, one was at a hospital in Seattle.

Concealed means concealed.

Don't ask, don't tell.

It's not a felony, the worst that will happen will be being asked to leave.

Just my opinion.
 
"if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?"


Life shouldn't be treated as a war zone and awareness surely is a most effective defense, but:

Being honest and getting realistic: the bad guy will have just acquired a set of problems all his own if I'm compelled to draw. I have choices and am not required to be screwed.

Yes, if gun-fighting is required then gun-fighting will happen, except it will be with a Smith & Wesson Model 10 or Colt Detective Special.

Depending on the situation, gun-fighting could be a superior choice to abandoning the 3-year-old princess to fend for her own safety. Luby's in Killeen, Texas comes to mind.

After all...

"Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!"
 
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"if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?"


Life shouldn't be treated as a war zone and awareness surely is a most effective defense, but:

Yes, if gun-fighting is required then gun-fighting will happen, except it will be with a Smith & Wesson Model 10 or Colt Detective Special.

Depending on the situation, gun-fighting could be a superior choice to abandoning the 3-year-old princess to fend for her own safety. Luby's in Killeen, Texas comes to mind.

After all...

"Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!"

Other than your choice of guns, I agree with this. I see way more accidental shootings than I see defensive shootings. I see more intentional homicides involving drugs or gangs than I see inside restaurants, parks or theaters.

I have actively carried due to work since 1966 and I have yet to see a zombie needing to be dispatched. I have never seen someone needing 10 rounds of ammo to defend them or thei family.

But if someone wants to carry and feel safer, I am all for it. But if they want to carry the proper gun, it will be a S&W 1911 in .45acp.
 
I am soooo happy my son is beyond Chuck E. Cheese age. In Texas, the place has to have a huge "no guns" sign at the entrance that meets legal requirements. All other small anti-gun signs are summarily ignored.
 
As for the officer ... of course he's anti-gun. The misfortune of the police department is that they have to draw from the human race. Cops are like any other civilians. Some of them are gunnies, some aren't.

ETA: No. I'm not anti cop. Quite the opposite actually.

Well, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, or maybe he is just aware of the danger an individual with a gun poses in a crowded place when that person may or may not have a cool head, and may or may not be an expert with the weapon.

I've lived in Indiana all my life. I have known quite a few troopers and have respect for the ISP as an organization, in general. I do think the organization over the years has been "reasonable," but possibly tilted toward the dark side of the gun issue. This is probably just natural for them, considering that by definition when they come into contact with firearms, it is almost certainly because someone has done something wrong with one, and of course, because they take directions from their political masters.

I would not be too hard on that officer, if he was polite to me. He has a right to conduct his personal life as he sees fit. I usually appreciate hearing the "opinions" of police officers. Sometimes they are wrong and I ignore them, but they are like the rest of us - just guys doing their job (hopefully honorably) and entitled to their opinion - as long as they do not confuse that with law. This fellow didn't seem to be doing that.
 
couple of points an opinions...

1. ChuckE.Cheese pizza REALLY sucks!
2. My daughter LOVES CEC and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
3. I love my dughter with all my being... (so we go!)
4. I wish I could CC every where... but I can't.
5. Know where you are, who is there, and what the threats are.
6. If its not safe leave...

if the "ATTACK" happens your screwed anyway.... lets be honest...
Are you gonna get in to a gun battle with your 8+1 45 compact?
Are you going to abandon your beautiful little 3yo princess to shoot it out with this BG?
Of course not......... ppl lets get real...

Dont get me wrong...
I carry 100% of the time I am allow by law.
And of course a 100% while on duty...

this life is not a warzone....
just be aware and 90% of the problems will be avoided.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can hear the responces already, .............. *sigh*..................
breath, its going to be ok!
I am PRO gun and PRO self defense.
Protect your own, protect others...
honor, trust, courage & honesty!

Out of curiosity, is this one of the responses that the voices in your head are telling you.

I am concerned that when a business doesn't allow my firearm in their business, I must leave it in the car and have a risk of it being stolen and used in crimes. As a responsible citizen that is a terrible choice to be forced to make.

That thought concerns me, more then the thought of any "issues while inside" chuckie cheese.
 
Out of curiosity, is this one of the responses that the voices in your head are telling you.

I am concerned that when a business doesn't allow my firearm in their business, I must leave it in the car and have a risk of it being stolen and used in crimes. As a responsible citizen that is a terrible choice to be forced to make.

That thought concerns me, more then the thought of any "issues while inside" chuckie cheese.

As much as I appreciate your condescending and rude banter about voices... grow up man...

Now to speak to your foolish response about an unsecured 'firearm' in your vehicle.
Shame on you for putting your bad behavior and unresponsible outcome
on the business that has denied your CC rights in their establishment.

Are you honestly telling me that if you do not plan for your 'firearms' security
then they are responsible for that...
There are many placed, in our communities, that our firearm's are not allowed;
either by law, or the owners of the business. (like it or not, speak to your legislator)

With this said, YOU need to plan for the security of your firearm....
(in this application) they are called car safes.....
Google can assist in this remedial education and corrective behavior: Google

Enjoy your new knowledge, and welcome to the responsibility of being not only a firearm owner...
but now a responsible firearm owner... your welcome. :)
 
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