How to fix the trigger creep in you 15-22 video

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I would argue it is eliminating creep. On a single stage trigger such as this, all movement of the trigger is a movement in the sear/trigger interface. It has to be, as the trigger and sear are in contact at all times. There is no set stage of pretravel before you get to a firm second stage that you would reduce creep. There is no wall of force that separates pretravel from creep. As such, once in position, all movement in the trigger prior to the breaking of the shot is on the same questionable level. It isn't like a good two stage where the early take up is distinct from the final breaking of the sear. This wouldn't make for a smoother trigger break, but it sure does remove creep.

Even if we could determine the specific point where it switches from pretravel to creep, this mod influences creep as well. Turn off the safety, cock the rifle (empty of course), and tighten the set screw until the rifle fires. Back the screw off a hair. Know what you did? You adjusted the amount of contact the sear and the trigger have with eachother. This would be reducing creep. You may have to modify the safety to work at this level, but it is directly removing sear engagement, which is termed creep.
 
AR-15/M16 DROP-IN TRIGGER ADJUSTER
Mfr:J&L RESEARCH Price:$44.20 Status:In Stock
Helps Make A Crisp, Easy-Breaking Factory Trigger
Trigger adjuster replaces the factory grip screw to reduce trigger creep, lessen pull weight, and improve hammer break for better accuracy. Use alone or as part of a complete trigger job.

Well thanks for all the bashing guys good job heres a sucker:) If you don't agree will it I have an easy fix don't do it I read up on this and after seeing one of the biggest hunting supply stores in the world have a product that says it "takes the creep out of the ar 15 trigger " I figure it was safe and after reading in other forums about how good it works whats the harm?
 
tylerrybkowski said:
AR-15/M16 DROP-IN TRIGGER ADJUSTER
Mfr:J&L RESEARCH Price:$44.20 Status:In Stock
Helps Make A Crisp, Easy-Breaking Factory Trigger
Trigger adjuster replaces the factory grip screw to reduce trigger creep, lessen pull weight, and improve hammer break for better accuracy. Use alone or as part of a complete trigger job.

Well thanks for all the bashing guys good job heres a sucker:) If you don't agree will it I have an easy fix don't do it I read up on this and after seeing one of the biggest hunting supply stores in the world have a product that says it "takes the creep out of the ar 15 trigger " I figure it was safe and after reading in other forums about how good it works whats the harm?
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Well Terry, you and I are in the same boat. I have read every bit of info. pertaining to this subject that I can find and other than here, the set-screw idea has been well received. Like Terry said, if you don't like it, please don't do it. Regardless of what you call it, it does take up that little bit of travel to the safety. I can't believe that if you leave it at that point, the gun would be any more un-safe than if you left it out and pulled the trigger to the safety stop. The gun doesn't and shouldn't fire at that point. I have tried everything to get the gun to AD with this mod. and haven't had a one.
I really don't think Brownell's would sell a known un-safe device. There's a guy on Snipershide that makes them out of allen bolts for $20+shipping but other than if you would want to experiment a lot and didn't want to take the grip screw out each time, the allen screw should work fine.
I promise to be honest about this mod. and if, like I said previously, the gun mis-behaves at all, I will report it and remove the mod.
I just target shoot at the moment so my range enviroment is well controlled so as to eliminate any chance of accidentally shooting someone or something if the gun goes off by itself. I always have the safety on and muzzle down range before I drop the bolt and until I've shot several hundred rounds through it, I'm keeping the mag with just 5 rounds in it.
Hobie
 
Hobie1 said:
Well Terry, you and I are in the same boat. I have read every bit of info. pertaining to this subject that I can find and other than here, the set-screw idea has been well received. Like Terry said, if you don't like it, please don't do it. Regardless of what you call it, it does take up that little bit of travel to the safety. I can't believe that if you leave it at that point, the gun would be any more un-safe than if you left it out and pulled the trigger to the safety stop. The gun doesn't and shouldn't fire at that point. I have tried everything to get the gun to AD with this mod. and haven't had a one.
I really don't think Brownell's would sell a known un-safe device. There's a guy on Snipershide that makes them out of allen bolts for $20+shipping but other than if you would want to experiment a lot and didn't want to take the grip screw out each time, the allen screw should work fine.
I promise to be honest about this mod. and if, like I said previously, the gun mis-behaves at all, I will report it and remove the mod.
I just target shoot at the moment so my range enviroment is well controlled so as to eliminate any chance of accidentally shooting someone or something if the gun goes off by itself. I always have the safety on and muzzle down range before I drop the bolt and until I've shot several hundred rounds through it, I'm keeping the mag with just 5 rounds in it.
Hobie
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Im with you hobie I am going to shoot atleast 500 rounds today I am new to the mod and never feild tested it and any problems come about I will tell everyone I am a big safty person and would never do a mod without a lot of homework I'll shoot a video today wanted to because I got a new scope anyway:D so I will make my findings known. Down the road if I ever have an isuue with any mod I do you guys will be the first to know .
 
So far so.......SWEET!!!

I got to go out to my range(almost got stuck)and ran 100 rounds of mini-mag through the rifle. Other than the trigger feeling even better, there were no aberrations so far. I rapid fired and it was fun!
Film at 11.....:D
 
I have a few extras 1/4-28 x 1/4 knurled cup point


Sorry Folks,ran out of set screws




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Sorry Folks, ran out of set screws



Pm me if your interested . Send me a SASE and I will send you out one.
 
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great post. Goin to do both to mine. I did how ever find a sight were some one said not to do the trigger job. this was on a 223 or a 308 i think. it was cool were he was and the hamer would not hit the primmer hard enough to make it fire. He stated that he had his gun this way for 10 years prior to the mod and this was the first issue. that once it warmed up the bun was able to fire again. would i be better off buying a set of yellow springs for this mod??
 
When I did this, the grip screw pushed up the set screw so I had to go with a shorter grip screw. Anyone else have this problem?

(It's a DUU serial MOE...)

Rob
 
Doing this mod on 3 mp15-22s right now. This mod is done on lots of AR-15 with great results.

It is safe. Just bump test the gun and make sure your saftey lever still works correctly.

If you dont like it your only out $1 at the most and just remove the screw lol.

This should be one of the first mods you do IMO.
 
Prepare yourselves. On this board, it's a touchy subject. I know through experience.:(:rolleyes:;)

Happy New Year!

Hobie
 
FYI Ace Hardware carries these screws. $.40 i think. Just got two today and did the mod on my 15-22. took like 3 mins.
 
I did this on Wednesday night with a screw from Ace. Mine was 53 cents. Got out to a rural property yesterday with a friend and shot several hundred rounds. The video shows "backing out" the screw until the trigger works properly (dry fired), but even then (for me), it didn't "re-set" properly after the actual shot left the rifle. Several times I had to eject the round, drop the magazine, and start over. It required a little more adjustment to get to that point, and was great from that point on. It's not a significant improvement, but for what it costs, and how easy it is to do, I think it's still worth doing.
 
Believe it or not....

But a guy on a popular Dutch gunforum picked this thread up. He ordered a 100 of these screws in the US.

And generously gave them away. Through him I had the screw before my leadspitter.
I immediately did this simple modification.

No regrets what so ever.
 
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