Now they are after the hunting guns

[watchmanjimg]

are you suggesting that most Texans are ignoring Texas law and are carrying firearms that require permits without permits?

Yeah, right.

It might hurt Texans' image, but outside of New York City, NY State has a much higher percentage of citizens with handgun permits.

You don't need a permit to own a long gun in New York.

I was unaware of these statistics, but I'm not surprised. NY has a rich history of firearms ownership and related activities as well as a ton of veterans. It's a shame they haven't been able to develop more of a voice in their local politics.

 

[johngalt]

New York State has the highest percentage of concealed carry permits per 1000 of population.

NYS has approximately 1.1 million citizens with concealed carry permits with a population of only 19.5 million. Texas has 25.1 million people but only 465,000 handgun permits.

And when you take out New York City (a population 8.5 million but only 37,000 concealed carry permits) that means upstate NY with a population of 11 million has close to 1.1 million concealed carry permit holders.

Thus, upstate NY has less than 1/2 the population of Texas, but nearly 2 1/2 times as many concealed carry permit holders.

Are those permits to CARRY a handgun, or permits to OWN a handgun? Texas, along with most states, don't require permits of any kind to OWN, unlike NY, therefor no need for the permits.

Anyway, I always read Indiana had the highest CCW/population rate.

 

[nogods]

Are those permits to CARRY a handgun, or permits to OWN a handgun? Texas, along with most states, don't require permits of any kind to OWN, unlike NY, therefor no need for the permits.

Anyway, I always read Indiana had the highest CCW/population rate.

A 2004 Indy Star article claimed that Indiana was second only to New York in the number per 1,000 adult residents with handgun permits.

NY does not require a permit or registration for long guns.

NY is a "shall issue" state for a permit to own a handgun for self defense in one's residence.

NY is a "may issue" state for concealed carry of a handgun.

I don't know of anyone who ever applied for a residence only permit but I supposed there have been a few. Most people apply for a concealed carry permit and end up with a restricted concealed carry permit. The restrictions, however, are administrative rather than legal. You can't be prosecuted for violating the restrictions.

Yes, there are differences between the gun laws of NY and Texas. But in both states you need a permit to conceal carry a handgun.

Just limit it to concealed carry permits. Upstate NY residence still have over twice as many concealed carry permits with less than half the population of all of Texas. And as I understand it Texas is a "shall issue" state for conceal carry while NY is a "may issue" for conceal carry.

Think of it from a marketing standpoint. You have a product that is useful for concealed carry. You can only afford to start advertising your product in one state.

10% of the upstate residents in NY have concealed carry permits. Only 2% of the state of Texas residents have concealed carry permits. In raw numbers you have nearly a million potential customers in NY and only 460,000 in Texas. Where are you going to spend those limited advertising dollars?

 

[thomashoward]

Yesterday's news, they've been talking about that for at least a decade. With the State Senate in Republican control there's slim chance of that passing the Legislature.
She's a New York State Assemblywoman NOT a Congesswoman, won't affect anywhere else besides NY.
REPEAT, this ONLY pertains to NY.

Wait until Feinsteen ,Boxer and ,Pelosi hear about this. The California Commies will be all over it

 

[DeadManWalking]

are you suggesting that most Texans are ignoring Texas law and are carrying firearms that require permits without permits?

Yeah, right.

It might hurt Texans' image, but outside of New York City, NY State has a much higher percentage of citizens with handgun permits.

You don't need a permit to own a long gun in New York.

Don't you guys have to register your firearms also?

 

[ladder13]

Thanks nogods, I love it when the truth comes out. Btw, no NYer I know has 1 gun only. I know a guy who got his CCW about a year ago, he currently owns over 40 handguns.
In fairness, the article was from 2004, so things could possibly have changed. Nontheless, there's plenty of gun owners here, with multiple weapons.
If we could just flush NYC into the Atlantic, we'd have it good.

 

[DeadManWalking]

Are those permits to CARRY a handgun, or permits to OWN a handgun? Texas, along with most states, don't require permits of any kind to OWN, unlike NY, therefor no need for the permits.

Anyway, I always read Indiana had the highest CCW/population rate.

"Getting a handgun legally in New York is a two-step process. First, applicants must obtain a license, which costs $340, takes about 12 weeks to process, is good for three years and requires a background check by the New York Police Department. In addition, fingerprinting costs about $100.

Those who pass that hurdle then must get a purchase authorization from the police for the particular weapon they intend to buy. One handgun license may list up to 25 weapons (so far, no one has tried to register more than that, officials said), but buyers must wait 90 days between purchases."

Dang, here in WA it cost $35.00 bucks and takes about 3 weeks to get your CCW permit Plus, you don't have to register anything ever!!! PURCHASE AUTHORIZATION? LOL!!! Here to purchase any weapon, be it a pistol or a long gun with a CCW permit, you just fill out the back ground check, pay for your purchase and be on your way.

More CCW per populace? Possibly, but I prefer OUR way. And 90 days between purchases? Heck, I could buy at least one a day if I wanted.

How about private sales in New York, do you have to fill out paper work and get the state involved?

 

[ladder13]

"Getting a handgun legally in New York is a two-step process. First, applicants must obtain a license, which costs $340, takes about 12 weeks to process, is good for three years and requires a background check by the New York Police Department. In addition, fingerprinting costs about $100.

Those who pass that hurdle then must get a purchase authorization from the police for the particular weapon they intend to buy. One handgun license may list up to 25 weapons (so far, no one has tried to register more than that, officials said), but buyers must wait 90 days between purchases."

Dang, here in WA it cost $35.00 bucks and takes about 3 weeks to get your CCW permit Plus, you don't have to register anything ever!!! PURCHASE AUTHORIZATION? LOL!!! Here to purchase any weapon, be it a pistol or a long gun with a CCW permit, you just fill out the back ground check, pay for your purchase and be on your way.

More CCW per populace? Possibly, but I prefer OUR way. And 90 days between purchases? Heck, I could buy at least one a day if I wanted.

How about private sales in New York, do you have to fill out paper work and get the state involved?

Just like most , you confuse NYC with the rest of the State.

Too bad YOU don't live in Arizona or Vermont or Alaska, you wouldn't need a ccw license

Oh btw, I can carry in a bar, can you?

My license is for life, is yours? Edited: Oh nevermind, every 5 years some beaurocrat gives the ok, got it.

Sounds like some INFRINGEMENTS going on up there.

 

[nogods]

"
Dang, here in WA it cost $35.00 bucks and takes about 3 weeks to get your CCW permit Plus, you don't have to register anything ever!!! PURCHASE AUTHORIZATION? LOL!!! Here to purchase any weapon, be it a pistol or a long gun with a CCW permit, you just fill out the back ground check, pay for your purchase and be on your way.

More CCW per populace? Possibly, but I prefer OUR way. And 90 days between purchases? Heck, I could buy at least one a day if I wanted.

How about private sales in New York, do you have to fill out paper work and get the state involved?

I don't know where that information on NY came from but it is totally inaccurate.

Once again, approximately 10% of the upstate New York population has concealed carry permits, despite the hoops they might have to go through to obtain them (which are nothing like what was posted.)

In the state of Washington, with one of the least intrusive concealed carry permit laws, only 4.5% of the population is authorized to carry concealed.

If I'm a thug looking for easy marks on the streets, I'm going to move out of upstate NY and move to the state of Washington. 1 out of 10 people I try to mug in upstate NY will be armed. Less than 1 out of 20 people in Washington will be armed. Much easier pickings.

 

[amplifryer]

I am old enough to look at things from a different view based on experience.

I do not see the interest in hunting in today's youth. There are fewer hunting license being sold today than 20 years ago. It is possible there are valid reasons for this like the shortage of hunting lands, the increased cost of hunting and the shortage of mentors for the young hunters. Whatever the reason, there are fewer hunters. Fewer hunters means those growing up today does not care about gun rights or the related areas.

I see fewer gun lovers today. The older generation, say from 40 upward, enjoys their guns. The younger generation looks at guns totally different. Most are not active shooters. Many more are banned from being around guns. Hollywood has changed the view of guns by the young.

All this is going to reduce the interest in guns and the NRA each year. In a few short decades, gun owners will be in a minority in my opinion.

A person owning one gun for home defense will not be as concerned with gun laws or gun rights as someone with 10 or more guns. A person that has to travel 50 miles to locate a place to shoot is not going to be shooting often and will not be concerned with gun rights. The lack of open hunting land will decrease the number of those with shotguns, rifles and such.

Those we see today, the younger groups, are going after the AR, AK, black plastic guns and not the true quality workmanship guns that we enjoy today. Those inheriting guns from grandpa today are not as excited over the gun as was grandpa when he got it.

I have two daughters left. One is 45 and one is 30. The eldest is not into guns at all. Neither is her husband. They do not allow guns in their home. Nor will they ever be in the NRA or support gun rights but both are conservative Republicans.

My youngest daughter was a very active shooter as a pre teen and a tenager. Today she shoots very seldom. The men she has dated are not interested in guns. The few I have met when she would bring them buy were more interested in my old convertibles than sitting in the gun room and knew almost zero about guns. I have a fortune in guns here and there is nobody that cares about them after I am gone. I asked my daughter if she knew what one of my guns was worth and she replied, $200?" It is worth a few thousand. Youth today do not care about guns, quality, value or rights.

Is this the way of the future? Can we save the future for our grandchildren?

We now bring our kids up in the urban areas where shooting, livestock and other things are not possible Horseback riding and shooting are things most youngsters will not know, if for no other reason than we "oldtimers" have moved away from our roots and not giving the kids the same advantages we had.

I am afraid the NRA is going to be effected by our actions in years to come.

Ok, off my rant now.

That's a sad and interesting perspective. I've got two sons who I'm sure will be grateful and nostalgic about inheriting my gear and I've thought about who will get what on several occasions. One is in N. California, doesn't have a gun in his home and is limited by their oppressive laws about what he is allowed to own. But he loved hunting when he was a teenager in GA. He had a job after school caping deer at a local processor during hunting season and said he'd like to take it up again on a recent visit. My younger boy lives in an old, restored home in the downtown area of Columbus, GA and doesn't care anything about hunting but spends a lot of time at the range and takes personal/home defense seriously. He's closest to the family home (about sixty miles away) and the only one who knows where the key to the safe is but I expect that he'll be fair about it when the time comes. I'd like to be there to see how it goes ... ha! Of course, if I was, nobody would be getting any of my stuff!

 

[ladder13]

Don't you guys have to register your firearms also?

Long guns, no. Handguns, yes. Isn't a 4473 a form of registration? Doesn't the FBI and other law enforcement use 4473's to trace guns? The only guns not "registered" would be private sales.

 

[DeadManWalking]

Just like most , you confuse NYC with the rest of the State.

Too bad YOU don't live in Arizona or Vermont or Alaska, you wouldn't need a ccw license

Oh btw, I can carry in a bar, can you?

My license is for life, is yours? Edited: Oh nevermind, every 5 years some beaurocrat gives the ok, got it.

Sounds like some INFRINGEMENTS going on up there.

ladder13, yes the article was for NYC and not NY state, my bad. How many of those rules apply to NY'ers out of the city? Is it really that restrictive?

nogods, the article I quoted can be found at;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/nyregion/20guns.html

You want to call it inaccurate . . . knock you self out.

No, FBI back ground checks are not gun registration in the same sense that gun registration is used in this article (NYC). Here you purchase a gun and that is the end of the registration, you could sell it the next day to someone without every filling out any paper work.

And why would I want to carry in a bar, better yet if I feel I need a hand gun in a bar common sense would tell me long before I got there that a bar is not where I want to be. Learned long ago that firearms and alcohol are to be NEVER mixed. So yes, I'd buy into that as an infringement.

My take on CCW, it is unconstitutional in ANY state, free men should not have to ask states for the pleasure of exercising our RIGHTS! Rights are owned by man, not granted by governments.

 

[The Big D]

...

And why would I want to carry in a bar, better yet if I feel I need a hand gun in a bar common sense would tell me long before I got there that a bar is not where I want to be. Learned long ago that firearms and alcohol are to be NEVER mixed. So yes, I'd buy into that as an infringement. ...

Why NOT carry in a bar? Seriously, I have been CCW for 35+ years and have carried whilst in barrooms regularly over those years. Just last night, for example. And surely tonight.

If one is mature and responsible enough to CCW they should be mature and responsible enough to carry in a barroom. Obviously, I am incorrect in my assessment of some people.

Be safe.

 

[nogods]

nogods, the article I quoted can be found at;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/nyregion/20guns.html

You want to call it inaccurate . . . knock you self out.

The article is about New York City, not New York State. NY city has 306 square miles. Upstate NY consists of 56,250 square miles.

In New York State we don't prohibit concealed carry in places serving alcohol. You can take your weapon into a bar or restaurant or to an outdoor event in which alcohol is served. We don't feel adults who have qualified for a concealed carry permit need to me micromanaged. We expect them to act responsibly.

 

[ladder13]

And why would I want to carry in a bar, better yet if I feel I need a hand gun in a bar common sense would tell me long before I got there that a bar is not where I want to be.

Do you need a handgun in Walmart ? The farmers market? The dentist? At the movies? I guess you don't want to be at any of these places either.
Bars in NY serve some of the best food around. I don't even drink, but do frequent bars for burgers and sandwiches. The best burger I ever had was from this place
http://www.yelp.com/biz/pipers-kilt-inc-eastchester

 

[ladder13]

No, FBI back ground checks are not gun registration in the same sense that gun registration is used in this article (NYC). Here you purchase a gun and that is the end of the registration, you could sell it the next day to someone without every filling out any paper work.

No they aren't, BUT......
have that firearm show up at murder scene and see how quickly LE knocks on your(the last known owners') door.

 

[amplifryer]

No they aren't, BUT......
have that firearm show up at murder scene and see how quickly LE knocks on your(the last known owners') door.

I bought a new firearm recently (Ruger P95), the first brand-new gun that I have purchased in years. I thought it was cool that there was a shell casing in a little manila envelope inside the plastic box with the date of the test firing. Then my FFL dealer that did the transfer told me that the business end of the bullet was sent to the ATF and scanned into a ballistics database. I guess that's okay with me because I don't intend to use it in the commission of a crime but, man, it really makes you think about security and the implications of selling a gun or having it stolen.

 

[Snowbandit]

I bought a new firearm recently (Ruger P95), the first brand-new gun that I have purchased in years. I thought it was cool that there was a shell casing in a little manila envelope inside the plastic box with the date of the test firing. Then my FFL dealer that did the transfer told me that the business end of the bullet was sent to the ATF and scanned into a ballistics database. I guess that's okay with me because I don't intend to use it in the commission of a crime but, man, it really makes you think about security and the implications of selling a gun or having it stolen.

Either you misunderstood or your dealer is an idiot. No bullets are sent to ATF. The fired case is included with the new guns for the states that require you to include one with the guns registration.

 

[oldman45]

No they aren't, BUT......
have that firearm show up at murder scene and see how quickly LE knocks on your(the last known owners') door.

Nope, not from the background check.

The gun maker sells a gun with a serial number to a distributor. That distributor sells it to a dealer. The dealer sells it to you. Then the dealer has to keep the paperwork for ever. The gun is traced to the dealer, not to the person. The dealer has to prove who the gun was sold to and when.

If a dealer goes out of business, the company taking over the business gets to keep all the paperwork on former sales. If there is no takeover business, all the paperwork goes to the Atty Gen of that state for storage and not the ATF as some sources claim.

The Feds have only a few months that they can retain the papers on gun purchases. I believe it is limited to 90 days but cannot find my manual on that.

 

[amplifryer]

Either you misunderstood or your dealer is an idiot. No bullets are sent to ATF. The fired case is included with the new guns for the states that require you to include one with the guns registration.

I'll concede that I may have misunderstood before I'd call the man an idiot, or let anybody else call him one, either. Kinda harsh.