4516 combat ready...

Stefano

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Dear Sport Shooters,

Togehther with some shooting buddies, we thought to testfire some compact .45s for combat and target shooting and we were amazed at the results of the ol' 4516 from S&W.
We are no professionals but in the handgun sport shooting for more than 20 years (oh no..) and pretty accustomized to handguns.
On trial were the H&K USP Compact .45 against the Glock 36 and Colt Defender, and just for fun i packed along my slighlty modified 4516, i will come to that in just a moment.
We were using light FMJ reloads (200gr with 4,6gr titegroup and 230gr with 4,4 gr titegroup) that gave us fine results, as well as the standard stiff loaded 230grs from Remington, that gives quit a jolt.
The H&K and Glock, as usual, showed nice performance overall, followed by the 4516 & Defender. I will not get into boring details here.
But what was a little surprising, was how properly and fast we could draw and empty the 4516.
Although initially not as good in the hands like the USP Compact or the Colt when picking up, the 4516 seems to have a natural fast draw and shoot ability, at least for us.
Of course follow up shots were quicker due to his weight, okay, but that's good, isn't it?
We just were astounded how good this old pistol was in comparision to newer H&Ks and Glocks. The Colt did fine, too and pointed also quiet naturally, but i must admit that the H&K and Glock would be the safer choice and are hard to beat.
My 4516 was somewhat modified in that it had the safetylever and slide release drilled and dremel'd down, to give it a smoother overall feeling and nothing to hang on when drawing and power racking(see pics).
The 4516 had quit a smooth operation altogether, which led to longer sessions with it, with only one jam on the full power loads from Remington, but probably i need to change the mainspring.
This is how we "re"discovered how good this discontinued S&W is :-)
Just wanted to share that and state that the 4516 can be quit and still is (in our opinion) a good compact combat handgun.

"keep you powder dry..."
Steve
 

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Interesting comments, but not surprising. The 4516 has a reputation for very good accuracy. I no longer have mine but it would outshoot any other factory-stock .45 I owned at that time, and was very reliable. I don't recall it ever having a problem of any kind. It had two drawbacks - big and heavy, and magazines were expensive.

I am curious about the mods to your gun. Thinking back to my 4516, I was never bothered by the safety. I do wish it would have been single-sided. What annoyed me was the slide lock. I can't recall the design and whether it could be modified to lower it some, but in stock configuration, I felt like it was far too high.

Have you tried a Hogue "Handall," or whatever that thing is called, on your 4516? We used to toy around with those and found we could shoot the gun both more accurately and quicker.

My Colt Officer's Model could never hold a candle to my 4516 in terms of accuracy.
 
Hi and thanks for your input.
You should have kept it? but that's what we all say and still go on selling and buying...when in the mood.
Indeed it's quite accurate, although no 6" Performance Center or LesBaer of course, but better than some siblings?
Probably it is the weight that kept it from being more popular as you said, but all the 3rd gen. S&W Pistols, even the lightweights never really caught on, sadly.

The Hogue rubber "Handall" would indeed be a good idea, have to try that one.

The only mods were:
- grinding off the safety lever on both sides to be practically flush with the slide without changing the inner parts. ( i was smart however to buy a new one in case...)
- grinding off the slide release and polish the edges, although this gets harder to push down with the thumb.
It takes some tools to grind off and dremmel/polish but no heat threating is required, as far as i was told.

To me, the big levers on both sides gave an handicap in fast drawing and power racking the slide. The lever would occasionaly come down to the safety position when racking the slide.
In order to keep the pistol thin, i then also changed the slide release.

Honestly, there are lots of new "tupperware" or leightweight pistols way more adequate for serious combat shooting than this old 4516 and i mean that, but sometimes we like coming back to good old guns, don't we?
 
I have a 4516-1 that has to be the sweetest handling .45 I have shot.What exactly is the weight difference between a 457 and 4516? I am real interested in the 457 for summer carry after I sell my M&P 45c.
 
Hmm... I owned all three pistols you reference. The HK USP compact, the Defender and the 4516. Still have the 4516. :) Qualify with it annually, shoot IDPA games and carry it for serious.

I much prefer it to any and all compact 45's out there. With a good holster and belt I don't find the weight to be problematic.

Then again, I've never had a problem with the "DA/SA transition" or the decocking paddles. It'sd good there are multiple compact 45's to choose from! :) Regards 18DAI.
 
I have a 4516-1 that has to be the sweetest handling .45 I have shot.What exactly is the weight difference between a 457 and 4516? I am real interested in the 457 for summer carry after I sell my M&P 45c.

The weight difference is approximately 7 ounces. I have a 457S and I am somewhat interested in getting another, maybe a blue 457. I think it is a surprisingly nice gun to shoot and carry.

Bill
 

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